Topic: 1970s Green Deck paint info needed (Read 13119 times)

dodes · « **Reply #25 on:** December 04, 2013, 03:39:56 pm »

Looks like an old MoD boat too. Is it an old FML.

Netleyned · « **Reply #26 on:** December 04, 2013, 03:46:31 pm »

Didn't ModPlod

have some Nelson 34's ?

Ned

Shipmate60 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 04, 2013, 04:28:12 pm »

Yes, along with the Range Safety Group.

Bob

McGherkin · « **Reply #28 on:** December 04, 2013, 05:01:33 pm »

Yep, full marks. She's a Nelson 34. She originally served with the Thames River Police, before being transferred to HM Customs at Dartmouth. She's now a vessel of the Maritime Volunteer Service (formerly RNXS), called MVS Curlew. There's a thread with a better picture of her on here in the full scale boats section, just search for her name

rickles23 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 05, 2013, 07:30:58 am »

Hi,

Colour chip and application of Deck Green from McGherkin's photo...

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #30 on:** December 05, 2013, 08:35:12 am »

Sorry but I've had a bad week and my brain can't quite understand the plan attached or see what an ex Thames Police/Customs boat has to do with RN paint. They didn't use RN paint did they? I don't think the MOD Police boats did or do use RN paint either.

rickles23 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 05, 2013, 09:04:53 am »

Hi mudway,

The reason for the photo of the Ex Police/Custom boat is and I quote " genuine ex-RN paint.

This gives an idea of the colour we are trying to find.

I then used this to make a colour chip for my own use and the deck plan shows how the three shades look together.

I did this because most peoples idea of colour is not perfect.

Being an ex-photographer I balanced my Green colour by using a technique using an 18% Grey card.

That's the way I read it anyway.

Regards

McGherkin · « **Reply #32 on:** December 05, 2013, 09:06:20 am »

Yup, she's been repainted with ex-RN paint.

Shipmate60 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 05, 2013, 09:31:44 am »

Mudway,
The Police Boats were maintained by the RMAS Small Ships Group.
From Major Refit to running repairs so MoD paint used on them all.

As an aside, why did their name change to "Defence Police"?
Because an MoD Police Inspector thought MoD Police looked like MOO Police!!!

Bob

mudway · « **Reply #34 on:** December 07, 2013, 08:56:08 am »

Rickles,
Interesting that you use a photograph to work out a colour. I started in the 1980s trying to get the right colours for my Cleopatra. I couldn’t work out the correct colour from photos. Colours vary so much from the daylight, time of day to the printing process in books that I didn’t trust them. Out of curiosity, what colours do you come up with on the attached pdf? Three photos of the same model? The photos haven’t been played with, it is just a case of the same paint job taken at different times of the day and different angles.

In the 1990s, I discovered that RAN ships carried a book which listed the laid down colours and figured that as they had it, so would the RN. As it happens the Aust Book is ABR19 and the RN one is BR19.

Why, if you are going to try and work out the 1970s RN deck green with a photo, don’t you use a 1970s photo of a warship painted in the colours not a modern vessel which might be painted in it?

From photos on the MoD website, the RN Archer Class seem to use a lighter green on their decks in the University Squadrons. Is this the ex RN green on the Nelson? I’ve asked a couple of contacts over in the UK if they can tell me what deck green colour they are using. So far the only information is from someone who was on the old Exploit in the 1990s and said her decks were Olive Green and hull black. The Nelson paint also seems to be matt and anti-slip whereas the old deck green was high gloss paint. That seems to show up in the photos.

As the actual colours are known and laid down in DefStans and Naval Engineering Standards, why go through the photo matching process?

If you read old Airfix Magazine articles, Scale Models from the time or plans drawn up by people like Dave Sambrook, the colours are mentioned e.g. A & A’s plans for Danae have the deck colours etc. all written down from back in the days when the colours were still in use. Murphy’s Law, I only found this out after getting in touch with the relevant authorities about what the colours should be. I was going through my old Scale Models deciding whether to keep them on not and found articles with colour details for the RN and FAA. Then somebody gave me a copy of Danae’s plans.

My Mitre 10 in Sydney has all the colours in their paint mix computer, yours must do too. Just ask them.

rickles23 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 07, 2013, 02:35:50 pm »

Hi mudway,

The answer to your question is by using the 18% Grey card technique.

All light meters are calibrated on this setting. It's halfway between theoretical pure white and theoretical pure black.

One of the things I look for is colour in shadow as it will show the better colour.

Also my colour sight is still rated at A1+ and I can see more colours than the 'normal' person.

One last thing is that I double checked the colour against some chips I made from a colour film of a Navy ship in World War Two.

The Green and the elusive Navy Grey were shown inside the ship and I took readings from these.

Taking a photo to a paint store has its problems as it would depend on the TYPE of paint used.

Matt, Satin and Gloss will produce a different shade of the same colour as will different brands.

Luckily I have access to a Paint Store who's owner is a boat modeller...

Regards

pugwash · « **Reply #36 on:** December 07, 2013, 05:32:21 pm »

I still think the deck paint I have used is as near as the colour used in the 60s (humbrol 88)
as in the attached photo of HMS Aisne

Geoff

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #37 on:** December 07, 2013, 06:15:13 pm »

We have been here before many times. It is pointless agonising about the exact paint hue as optical perception will greatly vary depending upon the lighting environment under which it is viewed and the degree of 'sheen' to the finish. Then there is the consideration that everyone's vision is different and people will perceive the colour in different ways according to their particular eyesight. Models will always look different to their full size counterparts as well.

Quite apart from that, when paint is applied it is of a particular hue which usually fades rapidly when exposed to sunlight and weathering.

So there is no 'definitive answer to this except that if it looks generally right you can be happy that it is right.

Colin

rickles23 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 08, 2013, 08:35:24 am »

Hi Colin,

Well said.

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #39 on:** December 21, 2013, 07:23:32 am »

I made a comment about the Archer Class and their lighter green decks and I've since got some info on them.

First via a PM from another member > [font=]The decks are a hard rubber mat. That is glued down in sections.[/size][/font]
[font=]Second this morning from a CPO serving on one > Hope you are well, the deck is not painted on the Archer class it is a rubberised decking which is Green but with no designator and varies from supplier and batch we receive. I had a look at a few and they are all different due to fading with age and light[/size][/font][/font]
Anyone building these seems to have the choice of any light green they feel looks right.

rickles23 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 21, 2013, 07:35:27 am »

Hi all,

That's why I just build models to keep ME happy.

I am not a rivet counter.

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #41 on:** December 21, 2013, 11:57:53 pm »

Well if by river counter you mean someone who believes that if you spend a couple of years building a scale model and know the real colour, you paint it in the real colour rather than painting it a colour you fancy, then you would probably call me a rivet counter.
I’m not a rivet counter, my title is different. It will come as no surprise to you that in TF72 I’m known as the Paint Nazi having spent a lot of time getting the right colours for people. We have a few other “Nazis” like me in the club including the Funnel Nazi who has been known to pull funnels off of models because they look wrong. I’m not complaining as he did borrow my plans and make a superb funnel for me.
As we build all models to the same scale, any variances from scale of the same class are obvious. Also obvious is when several vessels of the same navy and class are manoeuvring together and one is a different colour to the rest. Stands out like a sore thumb. As I said, if you know the real colour, I figure you use it.

rickles23 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 22, 2013, 06:30:53 am »

Hi mudway,

So you would know Alan Pugh?

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #43 on:** December 22, 2013, 06:41:06 am »

Al is the gun or turret Nazi.

Known him for about 30 years.

rickles23 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 22, 2013, 08:02:57 am »

Hi mudway,

You might be able to tell me:

where can I get 1/72 scale ship fittings WW2 or Flower class Corvette?

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #45 on:** December 22, 2013, 09:46:40 pm »

Al has a load of WW2 fittings and guns. apsmods@bigpond.net.au He is closed for business for Xmas at the moment.
Sirmar used to do a nice fittings set for a Flower & Al has a 1/72 scale f/glass flower hull. Frontline Hobbies in Newcsatle used to stock the Flower Class kit.
David Perkins (Parkins?) used to have fittings for a Flower too.
Fleetscale in the UK are starting to get a larger range of 1/72 as well.

gingyer · « **Reply #46 on:** December 22, 2013, 11:15:33 pm »

Great little ships are the parkins name,

http://www.djparkins.com/acatalog/Great_Little_Ships.html

dodes · « **Reply #47 on:** January 06, 2014, 09:19:45 pm »

That's the colour I remember.

dodes · « **Reply #48 on:** January 15, 2014, 07:11:56 pm »

Al this energy spent on working out correct colours, I remember after putting Intrepid and Fearless in chains at the top of Portsmouth harbour when they were put up for sale, my last memory of looking at the pair was that one had a blue based grey while the other was a green based grey, very distinctive at the time.

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