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Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« on: October 26, 2013, 04:35:17 PM »

Looking for inspiration for a heavy weather boat.
I have a Marblehead with A B C rigs but I want
something I can carry in the car ready rigged.
I can fit an loa  1 metre hull with 2 metres
bottom of keel bulb to mast crane in my car
rigged .
I have a Victoria heavily modified a LA our Canadian
Cousins which is OK in light / moderate winds.
I need something to sail in 20mph+ winds.
Thought of getting another Vic hull and rigging it for
heavy weather. With a smaller rig it would be OK
hopefully.
Any Ideas out there?

Ned
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 04:48:30 PM »

 
... from what the weatherman is saying, you're going to need one for next week!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/about/24686154
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 07:29:03 PM »

When in doubt, go with real practice. I've sailed my square-riggers in moderately strong winds. I believe Pamir has gone to sea (well, pond) in 20g25 mph winds. My ships are rigged to make it easy to reduce sail - I just remove a yard and it's attached squaresail; my yard hangers are brass screweyes (one on the yard opened enough to slip in/out of the mast screweye). Braces go only to the lower yards, so reducing royals and topgallants takes only a minute or two for the ship. Courses can be removed also, leaving the ship in the prototypical heavy weather suite of sails.

 Micro seamanship is the ticket - if the wind picks up, reduce sail, just like the big boys.

Jimmy James had his ships rigged with lazy jacks and other lines to make it easy to reduce  both his square sails and fore&aft sails. Check out his threads for ideas.
My Pamir (started out as a free-sailer, then converted to RC):
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743611
Jimmy James' Freebooter:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11955.0
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2013, 07:35:33 PM »

Ned
I have a couple of suggestions based on personal experience and from others on this and other RC forms. The best heavy weather/wind small boat is a properly set up Micro Magic. I have sailed mine in 20mph winds perhaps a wee bit higher with amazing success.
The next suggestion is a CR 914 a much larger boat than our pint sized friend the MM at 914MM (36") This boat is another heavy weather craft. Again, I add the condition it be properly set up. I posted a couple of images from a past CR 914 event which participants reported winds in excess of 20mph. Pictures support those reports.

Have to look for some MM images in high wind condition but posted one of my favorite images of a MM surfing in some interesting conditions - cool picture! O0

As you know a lot has to do with the skipper's skills and his boat's set up. These two are well regarded around the planet for their superior sailing abilities.

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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2013, 07:37:42 PM »

Great photos, Boomer, thanks for posting them.
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2013, 08:29:39 PM »

hello ned,how about a fiesta,mine goes very well in high winds....tony
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2013, 09:17:59 PM »

Ned,
 Go get yourself a good secondhand IOM with 3 rigs you will have the best of both worlds and sail in any weather and conditions you may even want to join a local club and race other skippers.
here's  a link to a recent IOM event at Birkenhead lake this year it was great fun my boat is 50 (yellow hull)
http://youtu.be/u-gxB_JCFVI
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 02:22:29 PM »

Tony,
 I have a Marblehead I can do that with.
I am a member of a club where we all sail for pleasure.
The nearest racing is 35 miles away.
If I were to race then I would need a competitive boat.
Loads a money!
An IOM would still have to be rigged at the lakeside
in fresh winds.
I'm looking for something I can throw in the car,
drive to the lake and put straight in the water.
I have the Fiesta in mind but was wondering if
there was anything 750 - 900 mm that likes a
Northeaster that we get on the Humber Bank.

Ned
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »

I have had my Victoria sailing in winds like that and on a run she submarines and broaches like beggary. But she can take it.


I reckon she would be fine carrying a lot less sail. Have you thought about a smaller sail area for the Vic?
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2013, 03:37:03 PM »

Hi TT
I did mention in my original post of getting another
Vic hull off the bay and rigging her with a smaller
sail area.
My Vic is Carbon Fibre Mast and booms with mylar
panelled sails and goes really well.
Another idea I have is to get a Vic hull and design
a swing rig for light weather,medium and hooligan.
Not interested in racing, I just like to go to the lake,
sail, and chat to like minded people.
At 70 plus I don't want to be humping Marble heads
and such.

Ned
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 06:31:01 AM »

a 36r with smaller sails...shallow keel....not to high....tony
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 08:02:37 AM »

Hi Slug,
I've been looking for a 36R for a couple of years.
There either silly prices or have come out of a skip.
MYA email me of any for sale but no luck.
Cost wise the Fiesta comes out on top for me.
It would cost me more to buy and modify a Victoria.
Still not sure about the Dragonforce.
Don't want to buy one and then find there's a MKIII coming out.
With other projects ongoing I can't justify spending much more than 200




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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 11:15:13 AM »

Still not sure about the Dragonforce.

Here is some video of a couple of DF65 in some heavy weather - they survive quite well. These are all standard Mk 2 boats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dv_S-mS0AC0
 
And some more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS0IXMBzxLs&list=UUgGyLX66EFQ83HYknWKEYaA&feature=player_detailpage
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 01:32:54 PM »

Impressive Mr P  :-))


I am researching suppliers who also do the Sails and rigs and I think it could be what I need
If I start with the basic yacht and obtain the extra rigs as I need them.
If only there was a 75 cm version  ;D ;D




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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 09:15:15 PM »

Impressive Mr P  :-))


I am researching suppliers who also do the Sails and rigs and I think it could be what I need
If I start with the basic yacht and obtain the extra rigs as I need them.
If only there was a 75 cm version  ;D ;D
Ned

@Ned,
I note you are in the UK; there are UK suppliers for a range of spare parts for the Dragon Force 65. This includes rig kits for A B and C size sails. They are also supplying compliant sails in all three sizes. There is also a shorter keel available for shallow venues.
For other readers nearer me (Aussie), there are now some parts available from the Australian supplier as well, but currently does not include sails or B and C rig kits...
The ready-to-sail nature of the DF65 and the established class rules make it a great way to get people into (competitive) sailing who may have difficulty building and/or with limited funds
I note your comments re looking for something a little larger; certainly there is some appeal in larger boats, but transport can become an issue. I have a number of boats up to one metre and can transport them fully rigged in my Subaru wagon. I also have a larger one that needs rigging onsite.
I like the DF65 because you can just grab it and go sailing. It only weighs about 1300 grams and will fit in just about any car fully rigged. It will also de-rig easily when it is set up correctly, and it re-rigs with all adjustments intact in a couple of minutes. I like it...
 
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2013, 09:31:03 AM »

I have a sport wagon with 6ft of space behind the front seats.
I can get my Victoria fully rigged in with all seats up.
That's why I was looking for something that size.
My Marblehead has to be rigged lakeside which can be a pain on
a windy day.
I did build a Rg65 Racing Sparrow but at the time I thought it a bit small
so it went to another owner.
There is no competitive sailing near enough to me to go down that route
and on the local lake there are hardly ever to yachts alike.
I will be getting a DF I think.

I'm sat looking out on the Number at the moment and the wind looks set fair to
sail my Victoria this afternoon.

Ned

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Re: Heavy Weather Sailboat.
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2013, 10:47:50 AM »

Hi Ned,
Racing Sparrows come in many sizes. My preference is a modified 36R as I no longer sail in competition. I like to get out and blow the cobwebs away. Of all the 16 yachts I have the modified 36R gets the most use. A good size fun yacht which other skippers are discovering in the club. I usually end up giving them the plans to build for themselves. I prefer more yachts on the water than more change in my pocket.
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