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vnkiwi

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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2014, 11:43:09 PM »

One simple question.
I always understood NATO was North Atlantic Treaty Organozation, how does WE (being Australia and the 8th state) living in the South Pacific, even qualify to become a signitary?
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2014, 11:55:44 PM »

One point I did not realise...according to the WIKI listing...... is that OZ & KIWI are actually formal Global Partners of NATO...........Derek
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2014, 12:36:20 AM »

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we now have two world peace keeping organizations, NATO & the UN?
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So who decides which to send anywhere, and do they argue with each other when they both turn up at a conflict site?
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Could make for an interesting 'Gaming' scenario, NATO v UN, same countries fighting each other!!!
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2014, 01:27:48 AM »

Kiwi,
 
My understanding is that all members of NATO are also members of UN but not vice versa.
 
NATO was setup initially, to focus on Europe, without referring/involving the UN and overtime as the UN has been infiltrated, become dysfunctional, NATO has gained prominence in world affairs.
 
It may eventually exceed/replace the UN as the world body.
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2014, 01:44:13 AM »

Understood all that, just another example of beaurocracy at work.

Surely the UN, with its avowed intention to be THE body where ALL countries could have there say and sort their differences, should be the one to carry on.

By your statement, "has been infultrated", do you mean that the UK, USA, Australia, no longer control it?

It's supposed to be an open forum, where everyone has a say, and then get sorted out. Very simplistic I know, but then this is all 'tongue in cheek' and I'm just stiring the pot somewhat.
Whereas the USA controls NATO, not my idea of an ideal situation.
But that's life's reality.
You may have gauged that I'm one of life's cynic's now.  ;)
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2014, 02:55:44 AM »

I am no expert.
 
But when the UN was setup it was ideal with the aim to prevent another world war.
 
So it soldiered on but over time as other countries with hidden agendas lobbied and gained membership we saw a struggle for control of the UN to move away from the 'West' causing nations like the US and Russia, even the UK to exercise their veto vote, effectively blocking any UN action. Australia has not a veto vote that I am aware of. China does have a veto vote
 
Consequently the emphasis has shifted to NATO because, not the best phrase, they are western, Caucasian nations, not in a racial sense, but their ideals, moral standards, beliefs  etc etc.
 
Why in the world Australia would want to chair the UN security council is beyond me but what do I know.
 
All you have to do is look at the past and current conflicts and where the UN is considering toppling legitimate governments because member countries have an agenda against that nation.
 
Iraq is a point in question, Sadam was a friend of UN until he fell out of favour, a couple of UN wars later to liberate the country and the country is back at square one. The Arab nations/tribes have been continually fighting amongst themselves since Adam and Eve and the UN wont stop that, its not what its charter was all about.
 
But I would be interested to hear points of view.
Seriously China could take the World today, look what Japan did in a few months and took what (atom bomb) and how long to rectify.
So perhaps we would need heaps of British and other warships once again.
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM »

 ok2

I explain the value of having many boats

three or four submarines with missiles are enough to impress

This would use all the money earned for things more
important

General de Gaulle called the UN "foo" and it withdrew France from NATO
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM »

Am I correct that the UN was set up to replace the league of nations after Japan famously stood up and walked out prior to WWII - being set up after the war that is, they concidered that the league of nations had lost all respect and was ineffectual and one sided, oh, where have i heard that before - the description of the UN, what is the point of a body that cannot represent its members with those veto votes stopping what would be the best course of action.
 
As for the navy, what does a ship do other than posture against other ships and fire missiles from the safety of international waters nowadays, their only other role appears to be humanitarian evacuation (libia as an example), carriers seem to be the most effective as military action now appears to be in the air, with then ground action - so the navy only has to provide logistical support.
 
It appears our navy is being phased out - the only growth area for naval type of staff will be customs and excise.  :((
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2014, 08:48:23 AM »

As I recall, Australia was a part of the now defunct SEATO. May be that led into NATO when it died.
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 01:26:42 PM »

Bet there was a "T" or an "A" hovering near it. O0
 
  Regards  Ian.

   Correction, can't have been any of the "A's", you'd have been able to see them. They park them up ON Skye. O0
 
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Re: Where are all the British Warships
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 09:40:21 PM »

carriers seem to be the most effective as military action now appears to be in the air

They probably would be. If we had anything to 'blinking!' put on them!  >>:-(

I miss the Harrier. And don't forget the 'V's!
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