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Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« on: February 03, 2014, 11:14:05 PM »

Hi guys Ok so I decided to buy a old ic cabin boat that needs quite bit of tlc but I'm not scared of a project I'm happy to get my hands dirty but I'm new to ic engines, the old owner is un aware of if the engine runs or not I haven't had it arrive yet but he's sent pictures I will upload them and show u what I'm going to be working with my plan is to strip the engine and clean it all up but as stated I'm unsure if it runs how can I check this might sound like a silly question but this is all new to me and I'm keen to learn something new I like a good challenge lol
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 10:43:40 AM »

 :-)) By the look of it I think that motor will need a complete strip down, if you don't feel competent try Just Engines they have done motors for in the past,or could convert to electric try brushless just as fast as i.c.,happy modelling,Ray. :-)) :-)) 
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 11:55:41 AM »

DON'T turn it over Darren, (The engine) it probably hasn't been stored properly so the Glow fuel residue will have thickened up and the chances are, the ball bearings on the crankshaft may need replacing anyway, the piston could also be stuck in the bore. If you're going to let someone else refurb it for you, pack carefully and send it off, if you're going to DIY, immerse it for a few days in a container of Diesel (Full size) fuel.
 
  Make sure you have the correct shape and size screwdrivers etc. before attempting to strip it down and work from the top downwards. Don't try to remove the glowplug until the head is off and give the head another soaking allowing the oil to get to both sides of the plug before trying to unscrew it, - saves a new head by stripping the threads.
 
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  Good ole Sea Scout, the area inside the engine compartment may be oil soaked.
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 12:32:30 PM »

 
Listen to Ian, he obviously wrecked a lot less engines than I have!
... I was going to say, soak the whole engine in paraffin (or the like) for a couple of days, what would you recommend Ian?

In the meantime, you can start stripping out the rest of the boat, to see 'what's what'.
Remove the engine and anything else that can be removed with a hammer!
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2014, 12:45:10 PM »

I intend to do work on the engine my self well with a bit of help from my dad hopefully with u guys dads an engineer so I no he said he could clean it up with machines at work ( shan't say what company ok2 lol ) I would rather keep it as a petrol powered boat as I have my puffer and others I'm just unsure on the engine being ok
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2014, 01:54:00 PM »

Tain't PETROL Darren it's Methonol based. If yer Dad's an ningineer and has the gear (Ultrasonics) to clean it with at work, it would still benefit from a few days in Diesel (Yes Martin, basically Paraffin). The fluid will help to dissolve the slime that used to be oil in the fuel that is now IN the bearings. It also acts as a penetrant for the screws.
 
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2014, 03:55:35 PM »

Methanol based Is that what they mean when they call it nitro? Would u have a link to what fuel it would run on, boat just arrived engine feels solid so I'm thinking it's seized to be honest, dad said to ask do u no if they do spares still for this engine, engine is a os 10fsr marine gave top of it a wipe over to read it lol 
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2014, 05:00:14 PM »

Here's some more pics guys see what u think
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2014, 05:01:46 PM »

Here's some more pics guys see what u think
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 05:03:11 PM »

 
I think I used to use Duraglo:

http://www.modeltechnics.com/glowfuel.htm
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 05:03:47 PM »

Here's some more pics guys see what u think
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 05:04:48 PM »

 
I can't see any sort of pinion gear on the engine to drive the main gear....

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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2014, 05:08:06 PM »


Unscrew what you can and start getting it all out.
Keep it all together in a box for now.
If you start cleaning up the hull, don't use too much water, in case it starts soaking into the wood.
Use meths or turps if you have some, on old rags.
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2014, 05:10:19 PM »

Hi Daren, some challenge you have there, do you have somewhere to sail an IC boat?
 
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Re: Help needed please first ic boat
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2014, 05:16:17 PM »

Hi I'm from swindon we have a big lake called coat water apparently we are aloud to use ic there

Martin that is what I'm concerned about there is a green cog spare not attached to anything unsure if that is the pinion but if so how the hell does it go on lol,

I love a challenge so this should be fun I can't strip anything until Monday but I need to get my puffer done before I start doing to much or my dad will throttle me as his bed room currently looks like a works yard with the amount of boats in there lol 
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 10:31:05 AM »

Hey guys so I brought a little project a Keil kraft sea scout it came with a nitro engine which I was going to keep it nitro, But to be honest I'm going to run it electric now it's just Easyier no trouble from the genral public about the noise or smell if that makes sense.
I'm still going to clean the engine and get it running as I have been made aware that it is a rare engine well the head is and other parts are to be honest after stripping it I no I can get it running and get it looking new.
The boat itself on the other hand isn't in bad condition I have restored worse, I have removed some of the paint so far and started to take it back to bare wood finding little things like there was a random hole in the side of the hull but it's not the water pick up or exit as that was on the other side on rubbing paint back there's a brass tube but leads to nothing,
The prop shaft centre one is broke I have a brand new one so it's not to bad I may have to make a few parts out of wood but for the price I paid for the boat I'm not complaint lol.
I think I'm going to run it on brushless, I have put my puffer build on hold while I get some money up together to buy some parts and paint etc for it I hope u like the pictures I'm going to post I will try and keep regular updates :)
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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 10:33:29 AM »

Here's some more
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2014, 10:34:16 AM »

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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 01:06:11 PM »


Great start!
 What does inside the engine cylinder look like?
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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2014, 01:18:17 PM »

The outlet in the side is probably for the water cooling outlet for the engine fitted before the OS and due to the age of the boat would probably have been a Diesel. The present engine may be a rarity to whoever has informed you but OS engines were the most prolific glow engines used in the UK since they were being freely imported and the water cooled head and backplate standard marine additions.
 
   Not rare enough to keep as a pension nest egg. %)
 
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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2014, 06:35:05 PM »

Hi Darren

I have just enjoyed reading your threads and viewing your photos. What an interesting project this is and challenging to say the least! On a personal note I was so much hoping that you would retain the OS engine because I think that boat would be fantastic and so original sounding and looking with the IC engine brought back to life. But then I am a big fan of IC engine boats.

Just on the engine, its crankcase housing suggests to me that it contains plain bronze bearings. If so that makes the restoration of the engine so much easier with no need to have to find replacement ball races.

A fascinating project!

Craig :-))
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 07:27:52 PM »

I would say build it electric and then rebuild the engine, if anything just for the experience
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2014, 08:09:23 PM »

I would say build it electric and then rebuild the engine, if anything just for the experience


But if that lovely vintage IC engine could be brought back to life.... Wouldn't it be so special to see the whole boat restored and running as it was originally? A little bit of magic in my imagination perhaps?


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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2014, 08:22:41 PM »

I would say build it electric and then rebuild the engine, if anything just for the experience

Reluctantly, I would have to agree with E2V, as it is your first rc boat.   O0
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Re: Keil kraft sea scout restoration
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2014, 11:55:18 PM »

The boat may be erroneously classed as "Vintage" (cos it's made out of wood in the terms of Fleebay) but a vintage OS engine??????? Not that one. It would be nice to see the boat running as originally intended but that would be either fitted with a Taycol battery sucker or an ED Bee or thereabouts.
 
  Clean it up, fit a modern electric motor and battery system and enjoy. We''ll be onto REP Unitones and bang bang next %)
 
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