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[tigertiger]

Simple definition for me.
If an RTR comes with a broad 27mhz TX (no specific channel) that has a short range and gets jambed by hobby grade TX, then I personally consider it a toy. But some toys get their guts ripped out, and a makeover and can them be considered models. e.g. Seaport tugs.


As for toys in general, my most expensive toy had a 900cc engine and did not go on the water.

[Neil]

As for toys in general, my most expensive toy had a 900cc engine and did not go on the water.

sounds like my sort of toy TT....luvly jubbly

[Neil]

Gosh Neil, you flatter me, you really do....

Colin

aye Colin, a bit of Humour.....now calm down ol' boy, calm down,

we'll be havin' a laugh together before we know it

[Neil]

well you lot,I am going to have fun! While you are all sat in front of your computers I am going to take advantage of the fact that there is no rain at the moment,and go down to the lake to play/operate my model/toy boat/ship
 Now where is that ruddy battery charger thingy
 
Mick F

which of the 20 odd are you taking today then matey.

[teddyt]

That's awesome !  But......is it a toy model or a model toy

[malcolmfrary]

You can get stylized ornaments that will only ever gather dust - they are not models because there was no intention to get accuracy, they are not toys because they cost too much to play with, so they must be art.
When you consider working items, if it comes out of a box and has no user serviceable items, it is a toy. 
If the owner made it, and you can tell what it represents, and he can fix it as needed, it is a model.  Some models are rough n ready, some can only be described as art, but working, functioning art. 
And there is a great big grey area where categorizing is pointless or difficult or both.

[NFMike]

It's a point of view thing.
For people that appreciate models there is a smallish grey area between things they see as a model and see as a toy.
For the rest of humanity they are all toys - it's just some are too expensive and fragile to let the kids play with.

[Peter Fitness]

Regarding Colin's comment about museums - fortunately, not all museums I have visited subscribe to the "interactive" theory at the expense of models. We are currently on the far south coast of NSW, in our caravan, and yesterday we visited the Killer Whale Museum in Eden. There is an excellently presented display on the history of whaling at Twofold Bay, complete with some well made models of boats involved in that activity. The display definitely means more to the viewer because of the models.


In Ballina NSW, where my local club is based, there is an outstanding Maritime Museum, one of the best of its type I've seen. It is full of magnificent ship models, a large number of which were made by the late Doug Stewart. Doug lived in Brisbane, and made models for pleasure, but lacked the necessary storage capacity. He approached the Brisbane Maritime Museum, asking if they would be interested in displaying the models, but was turned down. His daughter, who lives in Ballina, suggested he contact the Ballina Museum, who accepted his offer. Doug's only condition was that the museum provide a display case for each model, quite an expensive exercise, but they readily agreed, and we now have a wonderful collection of model ships on display. There are models by other builders, too, as well as a large collection of maritime related artifacts.


The centrepiece of the museum is one of the Las Balsas rafts, more information here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Balsas It's a story well worth reading.


The museum's website is here http://www.ballinamaritimemuseum.org.au/index.html


Peter.

[rmaddock]

I think it depends largely on the gender of the person talking.

[peter61_uk]

Regarding Colin's comment about museums - fortunately, not all museums I have visited subscribe to the "interactive" theory at the expense of models. We are currently on the far south coast of NSW, in our caravan, and yesterday we visited the Killer Whale Museum in Eden. There is an excellently presented display on the history of whaling at Twofold Bay, complete with some well made models of boats involved in that activity. The display definitely means more to the viewer because of the models.


In Ballina NSW, where my local club is based, there is an outstanding Maritime Museum, one of the best of its type I've seen. It is full of magnificent ship models, a large number of which were made by the late Doug Stewart. Doug lived in Brisbane, and made models for pleasure, but lacked the necessary storage capacity. He approached the Brisbane Maritime Museum, asking if they would be interested in displaying the models, but was turned down. His daughter, who lives in Ballina, suggested he contact the Ballina Museum, who accepted his offer. Doug's only condition was that the museum provide a display case for each model, quite an expensive exercise, but they readily agreed, and we now have a wonderful collection of model ships on display. There are models by other builders, too, as well as a large collection of maritime related artifacts.


The centrepiece of the museum is one of the Las Balsas rafts, more information here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Balsas It's a story well worth reading.


The museum's website is here http://www.ballinamaritimemuseum.org.au/index.html


Peter.

A few years ago I had the honour of being taken around the private museum at Blohm & Voss AG in Hamburg...... Now that, is a museum. It is in the basement and they have models down there of absolutely every ship, submarine and aircraft they ever built....... The centrepiece (in a glass case) is a 6 mtr, just short of 20 feet ......... model of the Bismarck. Absolutely amazing. They also still have the drydock that was built (do they build them or excavate them ???) the Bismarck, now Elbe Dock 17. It is massive.......... I want down there when they had an LPG tanker in for repair...... It was lost in a corner.

[Peter Fitness]

Lucky man


Peter.

[Bryan Young]

In my book 'toys' include in the box everything that you need to play with them, except maybe the batteries. If you have to buy the bits separately then the chances are it's a model.
But suit yourselves anyway!
DM

Sounds like a bit of a U-turn coming from you! BY.

[Netleyned]

Everything in the box 
Makes my DragonForce yacht a toy.
Notwithstanding it can race other yachts
at National and International level.

Ned

[sparkey]

  Whatever they are I am going to wet my toys/models tomorrow weather permitting, with some rather mature kids,someone once asked me where he could buy one of "those toys" I explained that you have to make them but I don't think he got the point,we know what they are but a lot of people out there don't,Ray.    

[inertia]

Sounds like a bit of a U-turn coming from you! BY.

I guess it would do to a zealot. Do you grow your own timber, perhaps?
Bye

[Nordsee]

I understand your comment Colin......."'interactive displays' (which often break down) are the way to maintain visitor interest" according to the administrators of museums etc.......and I am sure these decisions were made after careful reference to many studies & on-line surveys of what people want to see in the museum........

Sadly....the model boating fraternity by % of visitors surveyed just did not rate in their request to keep model vessels in glass cases for all to see...or "the splendour" from our perspective......Derek

Interactive displays are introduced for todays children. The majority of these have a concentration span slightly longer than that of a Goldfish. Their ability to read is also not very high so need to have everything displayed by illustrations and 5 word sentences.Nothing involving numbers can be used as they cannot work out simple sums without their Mobile Phones, which they will be looking at most of the time in  case their M8s are texting them.Yes , I am a bitter old man!

[cuppa]

I say that they are models - my wife calls them my toys. Ah well - as long as I enjoy playing with them who cares what they are called.

[Neil]

I say that they are models - my wife calls them my toys. Ah well - as long as I enjoy playing with them who cares what they are called.

here here!!!

[Z750Jay]

A model is made, a toy played and enjoyed.
So they must be toys

[dougal99]

A model is made

Tell that to Naomi Cambell 

[Z750Jay]

She is not a model model but a model.
She is also a toy, just very very expensive!

[Netleyned]

She is not a model model but a model.
She is also a toy, just very very expensive!

Just like SWMBO 
Though I don't think the clothes would fit

Ned

[Z750Jay]

Lol that's sooooooo true
(Carefully looking around to make sure she is not about)

[theboatcrew]

[size=78%]Tell that to Naomi Cambell [/size]

I can just imagine what SWMBO would say if you mentioned 'toying' about with that 'model'.........

[sparkey]

  I think your sailing in very dangerous waters there mate,mutiny against SWMBO now that takes a brave man,Ray.