Topic: Re HMS Warrior or Cochrane (Read 15167 times)

ballastanksian · « **on:** March 27, 2014, 11:24:29 pm »

How do chaps.

Despite considering HMS Collussus (1880's) as a major project, HMS Warrior has taken my heart to play with! I have top and water line hull drawings available from Amazon in Warship VolIII (IIRC) and wondered if anyone has frame plans for her or one of her sisters? I did think HMS Kent would suffice, but she is quite a lot smaller though the hull shape might be very similar.

I intend to build her in 1:96th as that plank on frame model I feel I ought to try after I have built HMS Rupert and the WW1 Destroyer.

craggle · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2014, 07:41:30 pm »

Hi there

I assume you mean the HMS Warrior that is now on display at the Portsmouth dockyards?

If so, I have just taken delivery of a Billings boats kit of the Warrior in 1/100 scale. It doesn't come with frame drawings as such as they are already laser-cut but it does come with a nice side and plan view drawing.

If you ever find yourself in West Sussex happy to show the kit to you or I could post photos.

Craig.

ballastanksian · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:16:49 pm »

Funnily enough I used to live in West Sussex until last November! Sadly I am after the WW1 Protected cruiser. I should have been more specific in my title to save helpful souls like you wasting time.

I apreciate your offer and thankyou for replying, I hope the build gives you much enjoyment as I beleive Billings make a good kit.

craggle · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:49:33 pm »

I did wonder if there was more than one HMS Warrior.

The kit does look pretty good but the box is worryingly empty for the cost of it, a few laser cut sheets, a small box of fittings and a whole lot of planks, not much more to be honest.

Good luck finding the drawings you need.

Craig.

TomHugill · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2014, 10:24:56 pm »

More ww1 stuff has my attention, look toward to seeing the build!

ballastanksian · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2014, 10:29:00 pm »

Thanks Craig. Warships Vol III has a lovely set of drawings covering the plan and profile so at least I can fabricate the decks and turrets etc with confidence.

I noticed that she has 26 3pounders which would fire a veritable barrage of small shells at anyone daft enough to try and attack it in a smal craft though doing this in a destroyer or larger would be more dangerous to the Warrior. I have considered using the plans of HMS Kent which though smaller might give me the basis of the larger hull by massaging the frames.

As long as you have everything promised in the kit and then the box should at least provide a home for the hull and large parts during construction assuming the box is actually large enough for the former item.

Taa Tom. I am building up a list of ships to model and one of these is the Warrior of 1905. I have HMS Ready under way who was an M class destroyer built by Thornycroft. She is pictured in Janes 1919 as having a ram bow and, while assuming that she subsequently had this replaced with a standard bow, will continue to build her as pictured.

I prefer 1:96th for my ships of this era though I will build the Inde to 1:192 so as it fits in my shed and car.

Popeye · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2014, 09:13:54 am »

Quote from: ballastanksian on March 27, 2014, 11:24:29 pm

How do chaps.

Despite considering HMS Collussus (1880's) as a major project, HMS Warrior has taken my heart to play with! I have top and water line hull drawings available from Amazon in Warship VolIII (IIRC) and wondered if anyone has frame plans for her or one of her sisters? I did think HMS Kent would suffice, but she is quite a lot smaller though the hull shape might be very similar.

I intend to build her in 1:96th as that plank on frame model I feel I ought to try after I have built HMS Rupert and the WW1 Destroyer.

I have an immaculate hard back copy of William Mowell's 'Building a Model Warship - HMS Warrior 1860' (Chatham Publishing) for sale at £5 plus postage. It contains scores of construction photos and I found it invaluable when building my square rigger.

ballastanksian · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2014, 10:27:51 am »

Sadly its the wrong one but for others reading this topic, it could well be the book that helps start a project especially for Craig!

craggle · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2014, 08:09:40 pm »

PM sent about the book Popeye,

Craig.

raflaunches · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2014, 08:48:14 pm »

Hi Ian

Took me ages to find a picture of the general arrangements of Warrior/Cochrane, eventually found on in Norman Friedmann's book British Cruisers of the Victorian Era. Other than that the only way I could see that you could get plans would from the National Maritime Museum Plans Section, rather expensive but I can see why you could adapt HMS Kent profile and water lines. Just remember to make it more streamlined than Kent!

ballastanksian · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2014, 09:36:25 pm »

Thanks Nick! I will have to look at something like the Kent. I might save up some pennies and drop the Maritime museum a line. Much as she is a sweetie, I want to be good and complete my first projects so as not to be swamped in hulls and the like!

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2014, 09:40:31 pm »

I have been reading D K Brown's books on warship development which confirm that the hull design of successive classes was usually an extrapolation of previous designs for given classes of ships.

Colin

ballastanksian · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2014, 11:36:44 am »

Thankyou for that Colin. it does really make sense as to go too far from a proven shape technology risks making an expensive flop. What will be a challenge will be getting all the turrets to traverse given they are on different levels. I considered driving A turret with a searate servo and having the others on a linked system to create a feeling of coming to action stations.

I have some time to plan this out so I will not rush things. There is a set of plans on the My Hobby shop site IIRC so I will obtain these and get modifying!

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2014, 04:41:41 pm »

Just checked my copy of Janes 1914 and you can see that the two types do have rather different keel profiles - not sure how accurate the drawings are though the Warrior one doesn't seem to tie up with your image.

Colin

dreadnought72 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2014, 10:01:08 am »

I would disregard Janes as a source for anything below the waterline, Colin.

Here's HMS Dreadnought from the 1919 edition: hopelessly wrong.

Andy

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2014, 12:16:47 pm »

Yes, adapting the lines of Kent should give the best result. It may be worth tracking down photos of models, for example the NMM has one of Duke of Edinburgh here: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67315.html

Minotaur here: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67329.html

And Warrior herself: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67322.html

Leviathan: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67286.htmlhttp://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67286.html

Chatham have a model of Leviathan:

Colin

ballastanksian · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2014, 08:48:36 pm »

Yes, sadly I agree about janes and asume there is an element of time saving versus known information at the time of compiling the information. Though there are some evil mistakes such as showing the Invincible diagrams for the Indefatigable class battle cruisers. I take on board that the former was a direct inspiration for the latter, but the turret and superstructure layout is quite different.

Still, the titbits of information are inspiring, and seeing battleships in one section appear again in another as converted for a lowlier task such as HMS London who was converted into a Mine layer and painted in razzledazzle also interest me!

Amphitrite was also converted to such a role. (Cruiser)

Thankyou for all this assistance. I will diligently continue looking for information and build up a dossier (assuming someone does not produce a kit!)

dodes · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2014, 07:02:16 pm »

I have seen in my book "Warrior to Dreadnoughts" a ref to "K. McBride, "The Dukes and the Warriors", Warship International 4/90 (Toledo 1990).
If you can get a look at a copy of this book or anyone on this site has a copy, perhaps there is more relavent info for you there.

merseyferry · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2014, 08:27:26 am »

i dont know if anyone caught this but it might help, super dreadnoughts, on yesterday channell http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/deep-wreck-mysteries/watch-online/ regards pad

ballastanksian · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2014, 09:58:03 pm »

Quote from: dodes on April 09, 2014, 07:02:16 pm

I have seen in my book "Warrior to Dreadnoughts" a ref to "K. McBride, "The Dukes and the Warriors", Warship International 4/90 (Toledo 1990).
If you can get a look at a copy of this book or anyone on this site has a copy, perhaps there is more relavent info for you there.

I missed that when I read through the short section on Armoured Cruisers. I will get on to it. Thanks.

linux · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2014, 11:19:18 pm »

A one-sheet 1/192 scale version of the HMS Cochrane plans published in Warship Volume III can be purchased from Taubman Plans in the US:

http://www.taubmansonline.com/SIRCOCHRAN.htm

They include plan and profile only though; no hull lines alas.

These plans were originally published by A&A Plans in the 1970s. Later they were acquired by Sambrook Marine (and distributed by WEM in the UK), and more recently were acquired by Taubman Plans.

ballastanksian · « **Reply #21 on:** May 04, 2014, 06:41:06 pm »

Thankyou Mr Linux. I saw the drawings on line as you say from WarshipsIII, so if Taubman does them without the crease then I can make these work.

Regards Ian:OD

Geoff · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2014, 01:55:47 pm »

Actually plans from the National Maritime Museum were not as expensive as I thought having recently purchased a set for Iron Duke. The full set includes everything would have cost in the region of £600 but I only really needed the weather decks (main deck and forecastle deck and hull lines). The total was £88 including shipping I seem to recall. Whilst this seems a lot given it takes us years to build it is not that much spread over time. Notionally just the lines would be 1/3 this cost so it may be worth dropping them an e-mail. I found they were very helpful and quick in responding.

A word of warning though, they don't scale them so they come at the original builders scale which is 1/48. ID plans are about 16 feet long including edges and frames!

ballastanksian · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2014, 08:10:08 pm »

That is what has worried me as I do not have space to hang this size of plan! No worries, you have given us ideas thanks muchly.

dodes · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2014, 05:26:31 pm »

I know I am interested in a copy of the Warrior class plans, what if others similarly minded clubbed together to get a set of plans.

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