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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2007, 01:24:19 AM »

My Dad gave up smoking cigarettes a good 25 years ago and then took up a pipe it was when he used to clean his pipe that he realised what he was putting into his lungs, all that sticky tar. He just threw the pipe away that day and has never looked back. Mind you he was in the army as a younger man and was encouraged to smoke (as a lot of men were in the services) to stave of hunger and cold. Back then nothing like smoking could kill you and asbestos was a wonderfull thing. ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2007, 08:37:51 AM »

hi, Im going to have my two penneth in - yes I do have emphysema, but I try not to let it rule my life and yes I still have the occasional cigarette and I enjoy it.  When I was declared unfit to work the Company that I work for in their wisdom sent me to top specialist, but not only do I suffer from emphysema, but, I also have rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, arms, and hands.  The specialist said to me, after my comment, I will have to try and pack in smoking.    He then said if you pack in smoking straight away, you will be dead in 6 weeks.   

So, what all these do-gooders tend to forget is, all this wooo haaaa and shouting about Health and Safety didnt come about until the early 80s.  Some of the powers realised that some of the conditions we were working in were so bad, it would be lucky if a rat could survive. 

As it has already been said, working with asbestos - no face mask - told to either chew gum or smoke a cigarette - that was supposedly to stop us contracting asbestosis, same goes for the fibre glass industry when we were cutting/grinding the mouldings. 

I could go on.....and on......but what I will say is LET THOSE WHO WANT TO SMOKE - SMOKE IN PEACE - IF YOU DONT WISH TO SMOKE DONT SMOKE its your life and my life - we cant live each others lives.

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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2007, 09:09:07 AM »

Hi All

I agree Bluebird, if people want to smoke let them, as long as it does not interfear with others who choose not too.

As a consequence to the growing health problems caused by smoking, in the future if people are warned of the dangers and health risks, when they do succumb to the Lengthy and costly medical attention who should foot the bill?? The Tobacco companies (as they profited from the sales of its product) Or the smokers who were warned about the dangers of the habit.

Before you all jump on me, I am talking about long into the future and not now. I am not having a go at anyone as I used to be a smoker.

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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2007, 09:09:48 AM »

Shhhhh do you feel better now you've got that of your chest, so to speak, John ? :-\
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« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2007, 09:36:17 AM »

......... as far as who pays for what, should we not be saying the same about all the Drug addicts - and so far all I have received free from the British Government is my exemption from medical prescriptions and when I go down for tablets to the chemist I cannot get served for all the drug addicts waiting for their free 'fixes' what is the most expensive may I ask, my prescription or their drug habit.  At least I dont go round beating old women up and stealing their handbags to pay for my bad habit of smoking.  I worked long and hard and paid enough money in to the Government so in my time of need am I not allowed to have something back for all the paid taxes and I get penalised left right and centre because all my working life I paid into a good pension fund, so I receive nothing off the government for my hard graft and forward thinking.

Rant over, off soap box, back to me modelling - BEST MEDICINE IN THE WORLD apart from a wee dram Dicky eh.

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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2007, 10:13:27 AM »

John

I was talking long long into the future about 50 odd years. I was not having a go. I off all people know what it is like to try and get some attention at our local hospital with renal failure while those who are overdosed on drugs and alcohol (usually the underage drinker who tries to put a lifetime of drinking into an hour) are put in front of everybody.

As for drug addicts well don't get me started.

But the way all governments are going, of denying responsability and making corporations take up the slack such as the James Hardy group being made responseable for the asbestos.

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« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2007, 10:22:50 AM »

aye, BigFella, no - know you werent having a go at me - we are all mates together on here - but there are certain things which really aggravate me - and these things being one of them......but we all have a rant every now and then......and by hell I am doing some modelling with speed in anger  ;D ;D ;D 

nee worries....let em get on with it .......Im off to have another smoke......  :P :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Typing this with one hand as Ive glue meself to me model!
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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2007, 10:27:24 AM »


Typing this with one hand as Ive glue meself to me model!

Hi John,

I've done that a few times over the weekend. Darned superglue!

Clive ;D
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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2007, 10:40:52 AM »

Hi Dicky D, I am sorry to hear of your plight. I think you could do a lot of people on here a lot of good if you could explain your condition a little more, for instance: had you given up the fags prior to contracting emphysema, what were the initial symptoms, does it improve once you have given up or just get worse?  Someones personal experience often carries much more weight than some tv ad and is more likely to sink in with the potential 'giver upper'. I know this is a rather personal request and would fully understand if you chose not to reply to it but I just think you could save a few lives here.
Best regards.... Chris
 
Hi Chris I don't mind giving a bit more information if it will help someone to learn from my mistakes.
First I was still smoking when I was diagnosed.
The first symptoms were a shortness of breath when when exerting myself, I was a builder. Then there was the smokers cough which was getting worse. I then started to get a fairly serious shortage of breath when working in dusty conditions, not  good for a builder. I started to struggle carrying heavy weights especially on stairs or ladders.
I went to my GP who sent me for x-rays. When the results came back the GP asked me to call in the surgery where she told me I had emphysema, I packed up smoking that day [9/11] and I haven't smoked since.
The emphysema has got worse since then. I had to retire the following April and haven't worked since. Previous to packing up work I cannot remember the last time I was sick.
I have been bluelighted to the hospital twice and on the second occasion my wife was told to expect the worse, this was cause by an excess of CO2 in my blood caused by the lungs not working properly. The CO2 effectively shut down my internal organs.
I also suffer from cellulitis which is an infection in my legs that can make the legs swell to twice there normal size and is a side affect of poor circulation.
As I said previously this disease affects every aspect of your life. You think of something that you do and this will affect or prevent you doing it. Your life very nearly comes to a standstill .
Air quality which the average person doesn't notice can confine you to a chair because of the breathlessness.
Shaving can result in having to sit down for 5minutes to get your breath back.
Filling kettle and making tea can have the same affect.
You can not plan to do anything as you don't know how you will be on the day.
Boat building has to be done in short spells because the of fumes from paint glue solder etc
If you need anything lifted or carried you need help.
A lot of walking is out , you need a wheelchair and someone to push it.
If you need to pop in a shop you have to park right outside because it will be too far to walk otherwise.
You will learn to hate able bodied people who park in disabled parking bays, or use disabled toilets.
You are not allowed on a plane again because of the low oxygen and low pressure in the cabin.
For me that means I will never see my mum or sister and her family again as they live in New Zealand.
I have to be on oxygen every night which makes going away a bit of a problem.
Talking of nights, sometimes it can be a struggle to get upstairs at night, might have to stop a couple of times to get my breath back.
I hope I haven't waffle on to much but it is very difficult to really tell it like it is.
I hope you can now see why I spend so much time on here, it is the nearest I get to meeting and speaking to other people. Sad or what ?
The one thing I forgot, the medication, I collect 2 months at a time and it comes in two carrier bags, so ask the wife to empty out a kitchen unit because you will need it. [See photo]
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Re: Herbal cigarettes
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »

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I hope you can now see why I spend so much time on here, it is the nearest I get to meeting and speaking to other people. Sad or what ?

Not sad at all Richard, just making the best of a bad job. I suffer from severe deafness and normal social(!) intercourse can be an effort despite two powerful hearing aids. Using the phone can be a disaster if I don't know who I am speaking to or what it is about.  On this forum all those problems go away.

What a sad bunch of misfits we all are!  ::)
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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2007, 12:46:44 PM »

Sad, never, I have made a good many friends on here Richard, including yourself.   

Sad or what would be doing absolutely b***er all and there is no chance of that as long as we can enjoy our hobby and hey NAME THAT SHIP.

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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2007, 01:11:43 PM »

NAME THAT SHIP John, now that is sad. :-[
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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2007, 02:48:00 PM »

Bluebird,

I totally agree with you mate, I also have the dreaded emphysema and yes I still smoke, why you ask, two reasons 1: I have smoked for 50 years, 2: I still enjoy them, and all the whingeing going on on this thread is rubbish to a degree, I have never smoked in someone else's car without there express permission, and I don't smoke at restaurants at all I wait till I am outside, which means basically if everyone used common sense this thread would be dead long ago, and yes I am restricted to what I do in that it takes longer as I have to stop for rests, but thats my problem, I am not complaining about it, it is a fact of my life........
PS If the giggies are going to kill me I will at least die happy..........


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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2007, 03:01:07 PM »

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PS If the giggies are going to kill me I will at least die happy..........

I've never had a ciggie in my life but I agree that people should be left to excercise their own responsibility as long as it doesn't directly affect others.

On the other hand, when you've actually watched somebody expire from lung disease (my dad), I don't think that "die happy" is the phrase I would use.
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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2007, 03:07:33 PM »

My Father went in a similar fashion Colin and it was not all that pretty, I have been saying for years that when I reckon I have had enough I will go for one last ride on the bike and pick a large tree approximately 200 mph into the trunk should solve the lingering bit....


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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

What we have to remember, is
'Life is for living and your God didnt put you on this earth to sit and worry about how you are going to die - so enjoy your life'
No matter how difficult the path feels, there is always someone worse off than yourself.

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P.S.  Has anyone ever tried CAMEL 'dung' cigarettes - they are bl%%dy awful  :P
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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2007, 03:45:45 PM »

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P.S.  Has anyone ever tried CAMEL 'dung' cigarettes - they are bl%%dy awful 

One hump or two John?  ;D
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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2007, 04:40:54 PM »

Hi Dicky D, what can I say, your last post was unbelievably detailed and explicit. The anti smoking ads pale in the face of your post and I think it will definately impact on all the other lads on here who have been considering giving it up. I think this thread (which has detracted a bit from herbal cigs) has been a very useful and enlightning excersise. I for one can see you have told it like it is and express my thanks for your your time and effort.
I have to confess to having more than the odd fag, having gone back to it after a nine year layoff (how stupid is that?), this was brought on by a severely stressful moment in my life and having been at it again for the past three years, I have really felt the impact of it upon me. Your post has really hit home and I am sat here looking at my packet of baccy in a very different light.. I will keep you posted as to whether I have the guts or common sense to heed your warning!

Many thanks again Dicky and all the best to you.
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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2007, 06:04:30 PM »

Thanks Chris, it was difficult to do as I did not want it to look like I am feeling sorry for myself. If I can get one person to give up it will have been worth it.
As John says ,life is what you make it. What the hell I got to retire early, I get a new car on the Motability scheme every 3 years and I can spend as much time as I like doing my boats, free prescriptions [thank god ] and now I get a free bus pass [ what's a bus ?]
Anyway I blame the government for my troubles, they never told me that the ten years I worked with asbestos would affect my health and they never told me in 1960 that smoking was dangerous.
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« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2007, 06:11:40 PM »


. I suffer from severe deafness and normal social(!) intercourse can be an effort despite two powerful hearing aids. Using the phone can be a disaster if I don't know who I am speaking to or what it is about.  On this forum all those problems go away.

Sorry Colin I didn't realize you had a hearing problem, would it help if we posted in upper case in future ? ;)
Don't know what its like but I have a mother in law who's deaf as a post and I know she finds certain things vary hard work.
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« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2007, 11:06:39 PM »

Hi All

I did not know that we all had problems with health, although mine is more mobility and the occasional renal failure, but the thing I have found is that when you are at your lowest the best thought is the glass is always half full and the power of positive thinking is amazing.

Basically that is why I am on here a lot as my only outings these days are trips to outpatients and the odd sit down at the shopping centre when my wife does the shopping. In this world you need friends and I feel that this forum has the best bunch of friends on it.

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« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2007, 11:23:58 PM »

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EYES ARE STILL OK AT THE MOMENT RICHARD!
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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2007, 12:31:54 AM »

Dicky's story should scare the s - - t out of any smokers on here.     Way back in 1974 my old boy fell off the perch at the tender age of 49,  six years later it was the old girls turn at 57.   Heart attack for one and the big C for the other.    Both were heavy smokers, 40+ a day.    I haven't had one for over 20 years  but I must confess to having an enormous drag of a fag 8 years after I stopped.    Absolute heaven, all the old cravings  came rushing back and I had one heck of a job staying off them for the rest of that night.   Even now, 12 years later, I would like to spark up another,   a drug it most certainly is.   Cravings were terrible,  I want one,   I need one,   why should I stop,   I enjoy them,     headaches,  feeling sick.     STOP  NOW, take it minute by minute,  if you can stop for one minute you can stop for five and so on.     Polo mints a plenty until you are sick of the taste then promote yourself to the extra Strong's.    Tell all your friends, relatives and workmates you have stopped and if you stay off them they cannot take the p - - s.      Rant over,  good night and may your God go with you.           
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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2007, 10:43:38 PM »

WOW  great post Richard

I would love to meet up with ya sometime so I could shake your hand and say stuff this crap   lets go boating and have some fun instead .
I think you are southampton ? Hmmmm  a bit of a trek but might be nice to come say hello and we can have a laugh at your pond for a few hours ? Up to you chap I can fit a weekend in so we can have fun

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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2007, 11:11:58 PM »

Yes, why not a Dicky D day for all within reach? (Non smoking of course!)
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