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quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« on: May 22, 2014, 08:50:21 am »

Hi guys,
could anyone please tell me the type of quick fire gun used on the
 Fairmile MTB 749. or a good picture.
I would like to make mine turn on its carrier, like the real gun
but I can,t find a good drawing to show where they pivot,
Is it at deck level or under the gun footplate?


many thanks

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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2014, 09:19:03 am »

That could be a tricky one.  Without an actual photo of the MTB it could be one of several possibilities. 
1) A 20mm Oerlikon mount ( either a single or double manual mounting or a twin power mount)
2) A single 2Pdr Pom-Pom.
3) A 6Pdr in a power mounting.
4) A short barrelled 4.5 inch in a power mount.
If you can't find a pic of the actual boat, see if you can find a boat near to her pennant number.  Boats built in series tend to have similar fittings.
Of course you need to consult "Allied Coastal Forces of WWII,  Vol 1"  by John Lambert and Al Ross.  This will give you drawings of all the above mentioned gun mounts.
The pivot question will be answered by the detail drawings but usually the heavier mounts stood on a fixed pedestal so pivoted under the footplate.
p.s. It might help to know
Wartime Activities;

Part of the 64th MTB Flotilla with MTB 724, MTB 725, MTB 728, MTB 738, MTB 739, MTB 742 and MTB 749.  Based in Portsmouth
 Took part in Minelaying for Operation Neptune - Invasion of Normandy
 Post war, was sent for target towing and sunk as a target in 1946.
 
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 01:03:25 pm »

Hi John


I have no pictures of MTB 749 so cannot be certain but she most likely had a 6pdr mounted on the foredeck.
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 01:35:05 pm »

Sorry guys, I should have explained myself better. The info I need is for the
large single quick fire Pom-Pom gun mounting on the rear deck of the MGB.

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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 01:50:01 pm »

Bow or stern mounted the actual mount was the same. The gun rotated on a large fixed pedestal.  See pic
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 02:00:43 pm »

John


She more than likely had a 6pdr aft too, do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 04:05:22 pm »

hi
 
Can you give some indication from which plans you are working - I have looked through John Lambert's information and some other books and cannot come up with photographic evidence of this boat - plenty written - but I am wondering whether she had twin powered Oerlikon guns as several plans from John L and books do show vessels with these mounts on the stern,
 
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 04:17:56 pm »

Hi Bluebird, I am refurbishing the Deans Marine 58" gunboat I purchased
no plan just browsing the tinter. for information and photo,s
so hopefully I can make a reasonable finished boat.
I hope will be a joy to sail.

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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 04:18:26 pm »

The problem is that there were so many Fairmiles and the weapons fit was varied depending on the role of the boat (MGB or MTB) where she was built, the flotilla she was assigned to, etc.  However all the weapons mentioned were fitted to Fairmiles and without photographic evidence it could be argued that any combination of the selection of guns and mounts could be said to be representative of the boat in question.
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 04:19:51 pm »

Hi ya there
Is this the model you are refurbishing?  See link :-
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46660.msg473748.html#msg473748
 
If it is, we have been chasing the wrong number :-) in your first posting you have put 749 - but I am wondering should it be 794?
 
 %)   If so, we can look again and see what other information we have.
 
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 04:28:15 pm »

Well spotted thar cap'n Bluebird, superb model, the real MTB 794 had 6pdrs fore and aft though;


 
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 05:33:43 pm »

Thanks a million guys, yes john that is my boat on the link you have posted
Fairmile 794
when I was asking about splinter mats.
so it looks like I should be getting another 6 pounder for the aft deck?
to replace the pom pom gun.

So sorry about the wild goose chase lads but it proves you are on your toes.
and know your boats.

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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 05:55:03 pm »

 :-))  by gum we all love a challenge  O0 {-) %%
 
no harm done - in fact I have enjoyed it  <*<
 
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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Re: quick fire gun Fairmile MGB
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 02:57:17 pm »

  Interesting weapon. It started life as the army's 6pdr (57mm) anti-tank gun. The Molins company, who normally made cigarette production machinery, designed the self-loader so that it could be installed in the Mosquito MkXVIII for anti-shipping attacks. Later adapted, as here, for the Royal Navy, so it was used by all three services - and the US and Soviet armies.
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