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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2014, 04:57:11 PM »

Made a start on the replacement wheelhouse, with the camber and all the angles I think it 's going to be the most difficult part of the build, the alloy windows I rescued from the unusable grp wheelhouse needed to be carefully cleaned up and all the filler removed that was used to bog them into holes that were over size, I've used some of the palsticard from the discarded deck to make the upper wheelhouse, It's good to see it coming together and not too far off looking like the original
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2014, 04:52:29 PM »

Got more done on the wheelhouse front end, and fitted the wing deck sides by laminating one 1mm and one .5mm plasticard and a bit of heat, should look reasonable when painted. added the aft end of the wheelhouse and cut out the nav light recesses, I used solid wood to make the forward companionway housing again should look OK when painted, I'll prime the wheelhouse before fitting the roof so I can fit out the nav room with the wheel, binnacle, telegraph etc rescued from the discarded grp wheelhouse.   
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2014, 06:05:26 PM »

Hello

It seems to me that portholes are put back to front on the hull(shell).
The convex part is IN the hull .
 imagine it multiplied by 48
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2014, 06:39:21 PM »

Yes I had noted this but they were glued in by the guy that started the build before I got the kit, and as you rightly say the wrong way round, he did the same with the portholes on the grp wheelhouse, I tried getting them out of the wheelhouse but did so much damage to the gel coat and the white metal that I decided to leave the ones in the hull, and except the fact the rims are a bit over size, I have got some brass portholes for the new wheelhouse and purposely got the them very slightly over size to make the ones in the hull not appear so bad.   %)
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2014, 07:20:36 PM »

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I understands but it is the detail which kills
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2014, 06:41:47 AM »

Hi Joe.


It looks like you are really running on this build! I am stuck in a hole with getting the deck on my Sea Trojan but you have given me an indirect push!  :-))


What a great job you are doing!!! It does seem that when the deck gets on, all of a sudden, it's a boat!!!


Keep up the great work!


BTW, I would've sorted the portholes in the hull, even if I had to grind them away with a dremel or something.... but that's just me...
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2014, 07:43:22 AM »

Hello

For it you take a fine sheet steel

You drill the sheet steel in the diameter of the porthole

You put the sheet steel on the hull to protect this one

You remove all which is possible with a portable drill (as for a POP rivet)

You remove the rest from the fine file.

You finish delicately in the very fine file
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2014, 10:18:41 AM »

You know, that's what I like about this forum, You can't get away with anything, of course you are both right the hull portholes don't look right, because they are the wrong way round the large flange looks ridiculous, so have decided to do something about it,  It would have bugged the hell out of me anyway.

Using a counterbore bit I tried boring out one of the alloy portlights on the old wheelhouse, and found the heat from boring released the glue and it popped out, so I did the ones in the hull and got them all out without any damage at all.

I've ordered some 3/16" brass portholes which equates to a 9" glass area in real terms, which I'm going to settle for, and the holes in the new wheelhouse I'll fill and re bore to fit the smaller ports.

Thanks to you both for giving your honest opinion, ultimately I'll be happier with the build.   :-)) :-))
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2014, 11:01:30 AM »

 :-))

Here is the happy end!

Now you will be satisfied when you will look at this boat.
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2014, 06:08:18 PM »

Good man!  :-))


I am glad you found a great way to sort it! The sad thing is that you need to buy new port holes!  {:-{


I do believe that with the support of the guys and girls on a forum like MBM, you get pushed into producing a model you might've taken shortcuts on and ended up regretting it...


End result, a beautifully build boat!


You're doing so well! I can't wait to see how this turns out..... (with our help!)  ;)
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2014, 10:37:09 AM »

I've given the wheelhouse a light coat of primer to show up any bits that might need filler or even the odd smear of glue that you don't notice when you have various different surfaces, when I've dealt with these I'll make a start on the engine room top.

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2014, 05:31:38 PM »

When I got the pre-started kit all the fittings were mixed up in one big bag, so once I got the plans a couple of weeks ago I thought it was time to do an inventory of the fittings, what was the chances of them all being there ?, It turned out that most of them were, however the boat davits were missing along with 4 deck grilles, I had thought of scratch building the davits, but Model Slipway sent the plans with an offer to supply any missing fittings, I took them up on their offer and the davits arrived today, I'm glad I did, they are a nice set of alloy davits of excellent quality, also in the bag was the 4 deck grilles which they didn't charge for, I think good service deserves recognition. My thanks to Model Slipway  :-)) :-))

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2014, 08:17:18 PM »

, I think good service deserves recognition. My thanks to Model Slipway  :-)) :-))

Joe.
Yes it does Joe but par for the course for MS in my experience.  Jackie just excels in making sure the customer is happy.   And looking good each update.
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2014, 10:03:16 PM »


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Jackie just excels in making sure the customer is happy.

And I believe that she makes that very well
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2014, 05:31:35 PM »

Having removed the alloy portholes from the hull I could see why the previous owner had put them the wrong way round, the holes were ragged and over size, and when the new portholes arrived today I could see the holes were going to be too big, so I filled them with P38, this also gave me the opportunity to correct a few that were out of place, the new portholes are Graupner brass and are super quality but not cheap, but when do we count the cost of our hobby, I don't smoke or drink it's got to go somewhere.   :-))

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2014, 07:39:36 PM »

 {:-{

Ae Ae Ae

These portholes are not portholes for the hull but for the superstructures  for yacht

To part them drift nothing has to exceed  some hull
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2014, 08:34:13 PM »

Yes I know the ones in the hull don't normally protrude so I had decided to compromise and remove the protruding ring around the glass on the hull ports to kind of flatten them a bit and paint them with the hull grey and the superstructure ones I'll leave brass to naturally tarnish.
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2014, 08:24:03 AM »

Do not waste(spoil) portholes which cotent very expensively

Cut small ends of tubes brass

Stick by the inside with a good thickness of epoxy glue

Two days later file with a very fine file what exceeds outside

Finish with a little filler

Sand very cleanly

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2014, 09:25:42 AM »

I've done one of the ports for the hull too make fairly flush, the rim is tapered off to a fine edge,  I think they will look OK, I also think there is a tendency in our hobby to get too fussy about correctness which tends to take the fun out of it  :((

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2014, 09:47:54 AM »

Now Joe are you sure that the portholes on this class had 5 rivet holes or did they have 6?  Be an awful shame for somebody to point it out when its finished!
 
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2014, 09:57:08 AM »

Thanks for pointing that out Mike gosh I'd better check that out.
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2014, 10:37:02 AM »

It is not difficult to do well the first time.

We make a little bit anything to go fast.

There is always somebody to criticize

And we regret

But there it will be already good
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2014, 10:52:49 AM »

A more important point to ponder here Joe is.....

1. was the fifth mounting point located at 12.00 o'clock?
2. or was this fifth mounting point located @ 06.00 o'clock?
3. did the port hole mounting holes follow a true vertical & horizontal mount?
4. or did the port hole mounting holes follow the true curvature of the hull?

There is a correct answer to each of these questions  O0

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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2014, 11:17:26 AM »

well Derek,
I have to admit I don't know the answers to these questions, but I had intended to fit them with a mounting hole at 12 o clock just because I have an orderly mind, and if that's wrong no doubt someone will point it out  %) <*<
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Re: Envoy class HMRT Enigma
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2014, 11:25:16 AM »

A more important point to ponder here Joe is.....

1. was the fifth mounting point located at 12.00 o'clock?
2. or was this fifth mounting point located @ 06.00 o'clock?
3. did the port hole mounting holes follow a true vertical & horizontal mount?
4. or did the port hole mounting holes follow the true curvature of the hull?

There is a correct answer to each of these questions  O0

Derek

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