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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2014, 10:43:53 am »

I bet they are making 20-30p a litre...

Divide that by six.

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2014, 12:28:28 pm »

There was a review in a motoring magazine a few years back wer they tested super fuels verses standard fuels and supermarket fuels.essentially minimal dif found.super fuels proved slightly better at higher revs n supermarket fuels were slightly more variable but only by very small differences when being driven hard. Essentially I agree with most other.ther would be a lot of broken down audis if it was supermarket fuel.
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2014, 12:36:01 pm »

I bet they are making 20-30p a litre...

sorry Dan.....but that figure is more like 1 - 3p per litre at most..........the rest goes to the refineries....transport cost and THE GOVERNMENT.......neil.
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 01:41:45 pm »

when working on standby boats from Aberdeen I watched fuel tankers leave the fuel depot esso and supermaket wagon all from the same tanks
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2014, 02:38:52 pm »

Jet Petrol tankers used to fill the orange
supermarket in Grimsby and the others fill up in a line at the
Lindsey Oil Refinery down the road owned by Total.

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2014, 03:24:11 pm »

Without starting an argument... why then is the markup from supermarkets such a closely guarded secret if its between 1-6p per liter. I suppose most customers would accept that - running costs etc....



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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2014, 04:28:53 pm »

Godfathers what absolute popycock that is being typed here..................FACT as Jerry is stating fuel is bought and sold by companies and is simply rebadged as their own...............Stanlow is cheshire has MANY different trankers from different sellers picking up their supplies.
 
AUDI are DEFO trying it on absolute .......WELL I CANT SAY IT HERE as I would get BANNED
 
I have used supermarket fuels in all my cars.........MMMM one is an AUDI.............NEVER had an issue,Mrs Stav's car a renault(yes I swore) uses supermarket fuel.........has it ever had a problem ........NO
 
 
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2014, 04:39:49 pm »

Without starting an argument... why then is the markup from supermarkets such a closely guarded secret if its between 1-6p per liter. I suppose most customers would accept that - running costs etc....

Most retailers keep their markup a secret. Nothing special about supermarkets.

(One reason for all the shops attached to petrol stations is that the profit on a sandwich and a drink is probably more than that on the tank of fuel you bought at the same time. They can't survive on fuel alone.)

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2014, 04:43:34 pm »

Plague speaks wisely.  %)

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2014, 05:04:10 pm »

Dan,
Your case does interest me so I did some research in general about VAG high pressure common rail diesels.
It seems there is a far higher rate of high pressure pump failures like yours across the range of engines.
All with similar symptoms.
VAG are blaming fuel/water in the fuel.
If it was the fuel at the supermarket then not just your Audi, but lots of VW's would have the same failure.
It seems that either water or wear caused by lower spec fuel is likely to have caused your fault.
It would take an independent specialist to apportion the cause or more likely the PROBABLE cause.


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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2014, 05:45:21 pm »

and a tale of woe for you to consider here dan............

Unless you want to spend a lot of money having your pump and fuel analysed by an independent engineer, and then loosing it all in court I would cut your losses, by a pump off ebay from a wrecker and get a qualified diesel garage to fit it.......

I had problems with my 1.9 diesel scenic a few years ago...was recommended a garage that did diesel pumps........took it in to a place in longridge near preston.............they gave me a time of 48 hours to fix......

7 days later with no car and kids on half term hols.......I gave the company the ultimatum of getting it ready or I would pick it up on a transporter with all the bits in the boot................

went round at 16.00 hours with a transporter with me which cost me a stash.......the car was running so I thought..I Had to pay the guy up front....instead of the 400 quid he had verbally quoted.......he charged me 1300 quid........and wouldn't release the car till I paid cash.....I called the police who attended and told him that on the invoice they accepted credit cards so he was forced to accept a credit card...............and off I went..on the back of a transporter to the Renault agent as I didn't trust the guy................they diagnostically tested it......and told me the pump wasn't working correctly but as he'd disconnected the leads for the test, it was inconclusive..........and told me if any probs then bring it back to them or a test......

for about a mile down the road it ran ok and then BANG.........up in smoke.....and I mean smoke.........

I limped back to the garage at Blackpool (scenic agent) they lent me a courtesy ar.......told me to buy a second hand pump on the internet...150 quid.....and they fitted it for me for 200 quid..........less than the scumbag had originally quoted.........

I took the guy and my credit card company to court.................

now here comes the bad news..........because I didn't give the scumbag the opportunity to repair the damage by taking the car back to him..but going to a main agent.........I t was my fault and I had defaulted on the consumer rights given to me...............

so unless you have lots to spend and loose, I would cut your losses, don't bother with a court case, and just buy a new pump and have it fitted by a reputable dealer/garage that you know you can trust........because a judge doesn't want to be seen to be opening a can of worms and opening up a landmark case that could cost supermarkets billions if everyone jumps on the band wagon
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2014, 05:48:24 pm »

Some interesting stuff here:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/search/?type=question&q=supermarket+diesel

Worth asking him about your specific problem - he's really helpful.

Now your car is out of warranty take it to an independent Audi specialist for servicing and repairs.
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2014, 06:10:54 pm »

For the past 10 years, ive had Audi A4 and VW transporter van
 
I have always bought supermarket, i refuse to spend the extra when it all is the same British standard, the extra is paying for the name the green sundial is sony the supermarket is bush, all the same components different market.
 
I have had no issues from either vehicle. Absolutely none, i still rip past people at lights even in the van  ;)
 
 

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2014, 06:42:09 pm »

A fuel pump is the least of my worries neil, its the 6 x injectors @ £600 a piece, aswell as pumps, lines, other engine components that need replacing + the labour to do it. Tank has to come out, big big job to do it all.


I'll bet the damn car its the fuel! we'll see what the insurers at morrisons have to say tomorrow when i ring them.


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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2014, 08:09:48 pm »

I think you will have a hell of a job in pinning this on anyone, they'll all blame each other and any independent 'technical expert' will hedge their bets.

To use a cliché, at the end of the day you used perfectly reputable sources to fuel your car and you are entitled to expect that the vehicle engineering should accommodate this. There is no way now that you will ever be able to 'prove' that Morrisons had a dud batch of fuel in a certain filling station on a certain date. They will never admit to it even if it were to be true.

I think that with the constant pressure to reduce emissions and improve MPG, manufacturers are sailing very close to the wind in their engineering tolerances and it doesn't take much to cause the poor innocent punter problems.

In your case I would be inclined to think that it is up to the manufacturer to prove that it was not their fault that the components failed and that you were in some way negligent which is not the case. In view of the cost involved it may pay you to take legal advice on this point instead of chasing up various parties, all of whom will categorically deny responsibility.

As an example, some recent Mazda 6 cars have experienced a problem with timing chain stretch which if left uncorrected has resulted in destroyed engines. Naturally they have tried to avoid responsibility, particularly with cars that are out of warranty, but when pressed have often agreed to meet the cost of repairs. The real reason was that they had a defective batch of components.

I think you need to keep up the pressure on the manufacturer, you have done nothing wrong and it's their product which has broken.

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2014, 08:47:48 pm »

My car is a last model Jaguar X-type 2litre diesel. At 35000 miles the dual mass flywheel, clutch and starter motor failed. (All related parts and a common fault with most fuel efficient torquey engines). I bought the car at 3 years old with 20,000 on the clock from a Ford garage (it's a Mondeo in a dinner jacket) I have been with for 10 years. I researched the problem, got my facts right and agreed that I should pay some of the cost of replacement. The garage supplied a 12th variant clutch at cost and charged me for three hours labour. Cost to me £310 with a service thrown in and a 40,000 mile guarantee on all parts.
They're not all bad.
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2014, 09:37:04 pm »

A fuel pump is the least of my worries neil, its the 6 x injectors @ £600 a piece, aswell as pumps, lines, other engine components that need replacing + the labour to do it. Tank has to come out, big big job to do it all.

Rather than messing around with loads of new and expensive parts at £10k, it might be cheaper to get a complete engine from a scrapper and swap it in.

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2014, 09:40:19 pm »

Thought about it, dont like the idea of someone else's engine to be honest...


I'm the type of person to find it hard to accept a bodily organ transplant...  :-X


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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2014, 04:43:32 pm »

Car was fixed and now broken again...


This time the fault is of a different nature.


Cars been running so well since the fuel system was replaced and I had to perform an emergency stop to avoid hitting a child in the road. Immediately afterwards, a warning light came on with the message of 'Gearbox Malfunction' and then went away again.


Anyway, it popped on now and again over the last week or so until a few days ago where it happened 4 times in a row, which is fine except that the gearbox (an s tronic double clutch thing) goes into lockdown and allows no power at all. This is dangerous when trying to pull out of junctions etc etc - which is when the warning seems to prefer to show itself.


Went into Audi and they said its safe to drive and probably wiring issue, come back on 1st September and we will have it apart. getting ridiculous now, the things practically un-driveable.


I bought an old audi many years ago at 141,000 miles, I sold it on 181,000 and i know its still going strong, never had an issue with it.


I have never known such a car with bad luck as mine. 2 months old and a pothole destroyed the nearside front wheel.


The shortly afterwards, i was trundling along the Pickering moors road and a crow decided to strike my headlight cover and cracked it - £600 replacement apparently but never been an issue MOT wise as it doesnt affect the beam.


So there we have it folks, my life in a nutshell - bad luck!


might make a film...


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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 05:02:26 pm »

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2014, 05:37:13 pm »

 >>:-( Hi,Dan,you get cars like that just bad luck from the start,many years ago I bought a ford escort from new this car was like a magnet everything hit it ,only had 2 days when a lorry hit it while parked outside the house 3 weeks being repaired from then on everytime I parked it another scratch or dent appeared give up in the end,had it for 3 years got written off after a bus ran into the back of me at a Zebra  crossing and then I had to sue bus company for the money,they said I had stopped too quickly what was I supposed do run the people on the crossing over,ended up costing them twice as much in the long run with legal costs and paying me for the fact I didn't have a car,only time I have owned a white car never again,Ray. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(   
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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2014, 06:04:08 pm »

Flippancy aside though,
my latest car is a pain.
I bought it as all the ones I wanted had to come by sea
and to get the right spec had waiting time.
Needed a boat friendly car and a Vauxhall Astra sport tourer
could be delivered next day.
Two weeks into ownership Please have a service light on
A week to find a bit of carbon had shorted out a sensor.
Carbon after two weeks.
I have been hit twice, it jumps out of second, normally on
a roundabout, no fault found by garage.
Today Please have a service light after a service in May
A week or more before it can be looked at.
Another German car (Opel)
Have they lost the plot?

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2014, 07:06:58 pm »

When me and 'er that was indoors were still together, we had a brand spanking new Escort 1600 auto on the  Motability scheme. From day one we had trouble with the brakes, it just would not stop any sense, so back to the dealers it went.


Because I knew the service manager pretty well, he did some digging into the car's history for me...apparently it had stood in an open storage field for the best part of eight months before we had it, and because of that, all sorts of nasty things had got into the suspension and braking systems.


The dealer fitted two complete front struts with new discs etc, and two new rear drums with all the other bits needed...that cured the problem until I reversed into the diesel shed at work trying to avoid an incoming dustcart and ripped most of the back end right off it.


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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2014, 07:51:23 pm »

Anyway, it popped on now and again over the last week or so until a few days ago where it happened 4 times in a row, which is fine except that the gearbox (an s tronic double clutch thing) goes into lockdown and allows no power at all

Not helpful really but I was reading an article the other day and regarding the Golf it mentioned that the dsg boxes could be troublesome at high mileages. Maybe this isn't that uncommon, though you don't say what miles yours has.

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Re: Supermarket Fuel
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2014, 07:57:28 pm »

just ticked past 58,000. car is not even 4 and a half years old yet. serviced on time, every time.



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