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jaymac

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Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« on: August 13, 2014, 10:37:15 PM »

 Anyone own and /or  have a preference for either of these boats   looking at getting  one of them  preowned .  I think the Moonbeam looks better but  would hazard a guess the Archer might sail better not having seen either in the flesh
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2014, 10:44:26 PM »

There is a review of Moonbeam on the model Boats website: http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/moonbeam/4457

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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2014, 10:58:46 PM »

Thanks I have seen that
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 08:40:21 AM »

my friend has a moonbeam and it sails very well....loves light winds..it moves when nothing else does,looks very graceful ...medium winds still sails well...heavy winds don't know..not as hard to transport as the colin archer...one of the best boats is the cariag pilot cutter...that does sail well..also the kit is a lot cheaper.full kit includes sails......tony
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 08:51:09 AM »

It would be good if you can get some close up pictures. One may have better detailing than the other.


If you search for [Colin Archer RC] on Youtube you can find some nice videos that show how it sails. It seems to sail well in the right persons hands. In one vid it is being sailed not to well.
I could not find vids for the Moonbeam.
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 09:51:45 AM »

Thanks   for the heads up on the CariaD Tony alas  not a builder i'm afraid
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 10:37:44 AM »

Ah! I think I remember reading somewhere that the Colin Archer is more of an advanced kit. Whereas, the Moonbeam is a simpler model to build. The following links may give you a better idea of what you will get for your money.



The Colin Archer also looks like it will have an auxiliary motor fitted. Very useful if you become becalmed or end up nose to the weeds.
This would mean you will need more than a two channel radio, potential extra cost for a 4Ch set.


http://colinarcher.tumblr.com/ build log here.


http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/moonbeam/4457 review of Moonbeam here.


If you like both, consider price, shipping/collection costs and if any radio gear is included.
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 02:17:06 PM »

Hi jaymac I agree with Tiger t.  They both look good on the water.
Are you thinking to build from a kit or buy one ready to sail?

Also have you read the review of Moonbeam in International Marine Modeling?
regards Roy
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 03:08:05 PM »

As Jay Mac said in reply 6
He is not a builder so looking for a built model.

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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 03:31:04 PM »

Thank you for putting me right Netleyned, I missed the 'preowned part of the first post.
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 03:58:30 PM »

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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 04:34:59 PM »

 Yes hmsantim thats the reason for the query :-)   
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 07:58:00 PM »

a lot cheaper than the moonbeam...it looks a lovely model...as it has less sail than a moonbeam also a back up motor I think it would be a better bet....I would go for it....shame I live to far away.....tony
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 08:12:26 PM »

Dont't think she has amotor Tony least no sign of a prop and  seems to have  no booms ?
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 08:27:30 PM »

looks like a prop in the cutaway between rudder and hull...think they were built with a prop......tony
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 09:13:18 PM »

Looking at it full screen there is only carpet
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2014, 02:55:41 AM »

Caveat


At least one version of the Colin Archer is a static, and not a working RC, model.
It may also be worth checking if it is one of the two models made by Billings.


Even if the smaller version of the Colin Archer is converted, it will not sail anywhere near as well as the larger model.
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2014, 07:41:51 AM »

think that is a prop halfway up the rudder.....regards tony
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2014, 12:15:09 PM »

Hi jaymac.
 why dont you mail the seller and ask is the aux motor is fitted instaid of straining yer mince pies on a thumbnail photo. Possibly took modelers licence and did`nt fit it but as you can see fron the niche in the cows udder there should be a prop in the space.
 Tiger,  there are three different versions  the 51in as for sale on flea, a 37in (which is wot I have part started has shaft for aux motor) and the current static 47 cm wood Pof hull.
 
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2014, 12:52:47 PM »

Frank I'm ahead of you and She does not know and for the reasons She is selling I feel it would be disrespectful keep on at her to check to  I'm not straining with a thumbnail I have  a  2 clear Pictures that blow up very well but can only see carpet in the Hole :}  I'm more concerned by the lack of booms on the sails
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2014, 01:09:24 PM »

Hi jay.
 the end of main sail and aft sail (forget name) are atached to booms. Only end of the two jibs are`nt. 
 
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2014, 04:04:45 PM »

 Hi Frank I'm with it now  Msail   its partially hidden  No wonder I cant see a prop cant even see :} a big boom
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2014, 06:12:01 PM »

Hi Jay.
    The fact I am viewing on a 31in flat screen TV with a 27.5in actual viewing screen area possibly helps me see a bit more.  O0
 
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2014, 06:52:59 PM »

I meant can see the boom Frank but not the prop
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Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2014, 03:46:06 AM »

I can see a prop, just.
But that does not mean that there is a motor fitted. The original boat had a prop, and as such a model of the prop will also be included. The prop in the picture looks very small and could be a scale model prop. If so it will not have a motor. The larger of the two Billings models of the Colin Archer is suitable for RC conversion (says so in the kit) it does not mean that the model was converted for RC. To try and retro fit a static model to RC is a job for an expert.


If it was me.
As the Colin Archer model is offering too many unknowns, and the current seller seems unable to help, I would opt for the Moonbeam as I know it is a working model.


That is not an expert opinion, just my tuppence worth.
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