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BarryM

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Liberty Rights?
« on: December 11, 2014, 11:53:05 AM »

Sometimes you just know that we are in a parallel universe from some parts of the legal community. Extracted from the latest 'Marine Professional' newsletter.
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Court orders France to compensate pirates   
The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that France should recompense nine Somali nationals who hijacked French-registered vessels off Somalia due to judicial delays. The court decided that France had not sufficiently guaranteed the pirates' liberty rights as they had been taken into custody for 48 hours when they arrived in the country instead of being "promptly" brought before a legal authority. This contravened the European Human Rights Convention as the Somalians had already been detained for between four and six days prior to their extradition to France.

In an edict likely to anger the maritime community, France must now pay the nine hijackers sums of between €2,000 and €9,000 each. Six of the plaintiffs, Abdurahman Ali Samatar, Ismael Ali Samatar, Abdulqader Guled Said, Mohamed Said Hote, Abdullahi Yusuf Hersi and Daher Guled Said, were prosecuted in France for acts of piracy committed in 2008. They intercepted and boarded French-flagged cruiseship the Ponant, taking 30 crew hostage and only releasing them when a $2.15M ransom was paid.

The other three, Yacoub Mohammed Hassan, Cheik Nour Jama Mohamoud and Abdulhai Guelleh Ahmed, were also prosecuted for acts of piracy committed in 2008, hijacking the French yacht Carré d'As and naval frigate Courbet just three days apart in September that year.

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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 12:15:07 PM »

seems a bit stingy, only 9k, tut tut, they would have been far better off coming here (UK) than all that piracy stuff, house, dole, medical service...will they never learn these bandits.
the mind boggles, where will it end...suing uzzi cos their gun jammed while killing hostages
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 01:39:44 PM »

This is happening more and more, only recently members of the Mau-Mau sued and were paid out in a British court because during the worst kind of unpleasentness in West Africa they alledged that the British Army had "been nasty towards them".
The mind boggles!  What does suprise me is that the French Navy couldn't stop one of it's frigates from being hi-jacked.
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 03:02:17 PM »

In France there are many associations which defend these people there.

The lawyer perceives a part of the money

The Russians have the solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq77zDLZJoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLj3aYPXEEo

Not of discution!

More attack against the Russian boats  :-))



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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 03:03:22 PM »

I am puzzled as to what happened to the ransom money, perhaps the bankers had that though.

I know it is difficult being a pirate, but one of the chapters in the Pirate Training Manual must have placed some emphasis on not being caught.  So as pirates they have not proved to be of the best.
Again some re-training perhaps into the banking profession would give them a suitable meeting of like minds
Still it is nice to know that we are not the only 'nanny' state and the pirates will receive full support in their time of need.

resigned to it all,
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 03:06:21 PM »

This is happening more and more, only recently members of the Mau-Mau sued and were paid out in a British court because during the worst kind of unpleasentness in West Africa they alledged that the British Army had "been nasty towards them".
The mind boggles!  What does suprise me is that the French Navy couldn't stop one of it's frigates from being hi-jacked.

Re the reference to the 'Courbet', I suspect that their is a typo in the last line. The Courbet is a modern French warship that any hijacker would keep well away from.
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 03:06:59 PM »

Thought the Warships on antipiracy patrols
would have had all the close range weapons crews
closed up with all radars manned.

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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 04:40:28 PM »

Ned...are you seriously proposing that while under attack our gallant lads should shoot back...are you mad sir...do you know its not sporting ...and the cost of bullets...never sir
in tune with tradition they should slump in the arms of their kindly captain and utter " when you get back to blighty skipper, do tell mamma and pappa I was good and never shot back .....oh please tell dear, dear Agatha I lov.........sigh"
next you will be damanding Doctors who speak English, nativity plays in schools, making prisons places of punishment...
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 05:33:51 PM »

At the risk of sounding politically incorrect I hanker for the old days of "if in doubt, send a gunboat!"  In 1896 the Sultan of Zanzibar incurred the displeasure of Her Majesty's Royal Navy who shelled his palace.  An hour later he surrendered (The Anglo Zanzibar War still holds the record for the shortest war in history)  In the following weeks the Sultan was sent a bill for the ammunition used to destroy his palace and it was paid.
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Re: Liberty Rights?
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2014, 05:42:33 PM »

I was in Zanzibar on a gunboat HMS Eskimo when they
Got independence 63/64 O0

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 09:17:58 AM »

I was in Zanzibar on a gunboat HMS Eskimo when they
Got independence 63/64 O0

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And a month after that there was a revolution that killed thousands.  Proving that there are worse things in the world than being a British Protectorate!
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