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My 1st 3D printer
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:48:44 pm »

Well I finally bit the bullet and bought one of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351266547523?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Here's mine ready to rock and roll



Arrived today so I have set it up and done some calibration prints.


The setup procedure was a doddle, unbox mount the extruder head and plug in


There were some calibration files on the supplied SD car which I have printed and checked.  Suprisingly accurate for a first print.


Currently printing another test piece.  Will update later this evening

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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 09:30:28 pm »

Good choice on the model, you've picked a good 'un there.
Your world will never be the same again. The house will be filled with little 3D Printed bits to make life easier.
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 09:44:41 pm »

Cool ! I have an Ultimaker2. It is printing as I write (20ft containers for my barge).


I usually take a stroll on Thingiverse, Youmagine & the likes to open up my mind. At first I only saw my printer as a way of printing parts for my boats. But that's really too narrow. Anytime you need "a thing", go ahead and just print it.
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 09:48:57 pm »

looks good, may have to get myself one of those.  O0 :-))
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 pm »

so far so good, need to tweak a few settings as i realised they shipped PLA and not ABS so I was printing with the hotbed too hot and the extruder temp too high.


But its a lot of fun :)


Pics to follow when I have something worthwhile to show
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 11:18:52 pm »

Looking forward to seeing the results of your labours there!!!  :-))

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 11:37:20 pm »

Tonight's tinkerings were just that...


Bed is now levelled and nozzles have been calibrated


The test prints are coming out better each time


Going to print something a bit more exciting tommorow
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 08:50:49 am »

Where are the photo,s? <:(


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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 02:55:47 pm »

Looks interesting. Once you have paid for the actual printer, how much does it cost in consumables each time you create something? And what is the maximum size object you can create?

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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 03:44:34 pm »

It might help anyone toying with the idea (pun)
to see photos of the learning curve.
Your first attempts to the first masterpiece.
If you took photos of failures it would help
the rest of us when taking the plunge.


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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 04:43:43 pm »

Could someone do a "how to" Use a 3D Printer for Old Codgers, like how do you copy something that is the same size or scale something down.
Any answers welcome, on a ten pound note.

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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 05:58:03 pm »

I can post up some pics of last nights attempts but there's nothing much to see.... Some cubes and circles of plastic


As for a how to, I found a very interesting book online. Pm me your email and I'll send a copy


When I have access to a decent keyboard (not my iPad) I'll post a more in depth review with pics
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 06:13:16 pm »

Before printing anything you obviously need to design it. You have to draw/model a "solid". An enclosed "volume" (as if you were to pour resin in it). A single line or a basic surface "do not exist" (because they lack any thickness). Once your model is good - or you've downloaded a suitable model - you then move to the slicer.


A slicer will take the model (typically as an STL file which describes stuff a simple geometries) and slice it into many layers because that's how consumer 3D printers work (FDM). Lots of settings to tweak although most software have pre-sets that give good results.


At that point you can usually scale, mirror parts (or you could do it in you 3D modelling software before exporting to STL).
Then you have to decide how thick layers will be: 0.05 to 0.2mm. Thinner layers may give better details but will take much more time. Thicker layers can yield stronger parts.


Then you have to specify the "fill rate". Let's say you want to print a simple cube. Either you could tell the slicer to fill it 100%. Printer would then print layers after layers of plastic until you have a solid cube.


Or you could tell the slicer to fill it only 20-25%. Once a solid "floor" is printed (0.6-1mm) only a perimeter wall (0.8-1mm thick) will be printed and the void will have a simple grid or honeycomb "filling" that will save time, material and weight.






That's a 50mm cube. Layer height and print speed are the same. Printer head path is show in yellow. Both screenshots show the same layer (somewhere near the middle of the cube). First screenshot is with 100% fill rate (ie: "solid cube") while second screenshot show 20% density.

Not the difference in print duration and amount of material in the upper left corner. Significant !

Another important aspect is whether support structures are needed. As you know FDM printer is actually a pastry bag moved around by stepper motors.



This leads to an obvious issue: where does the icing go when there's no cupcake under it ? Or : how can I print a bridge or any other opening or cantilever in a model ?
Short answer is: you can't. That why you might sometimes need to add support. Some extra material added by the slicer to support the print and that will be discarded when the print is completed. You may rely on the slicer or on a different pre-processor.

Long answer is: depending on the material you can - to some extend - print in the void or at least "bridge" over a few millimeters or even a few centimeters. Some material are better than other (ie: material with a very fast "glass transition").

Changing the orientation of the model can help (printing sideways, upside down ...). But sometimes it is much more efficient to split your model in 2 or 3 pieces and glue them back together once printed. It is tempting to print a whole model at once but that's not always the best method.

Orientation will also dictate how the part perform strength-wise. 3D printed parts don't like shearing parallel to the layers (you might end up with delamination under stress). But if you know how the part will be stressed you can printed at the right angle so that pressure is applied 90° to the layers.

3D printing is still more akin to milling/machining. Quite a lot of settings to play with depending on the model, material ...  ABS for instance tends to retract when cooling down. Parts tend to pop off the build plate and then warp. You sometimes have to add extra tabs/extra surface at the base to try and prevent this.
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 09:08:27 pm »

Looks interesting. Once you have paid for the actual printer, how much does it cost in consumables each time you create something? And what is the maximum size object you can create?


With my machine the max build area is 200 x 150 x 150mm
PLA and ABS filaments are from about 10quid for a Kilo on a roll, not sure how long they will last as I have only done test prints but so far I've hardly made a dent in the roll.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 09:31:42 pm »

e2v..."how long will the roll last?'........is there any sprue or wastage?.....so if a finished component has a weight of ~~200gm, does that mean the filament roll will be the same ~~200gm lighter? Derek
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2015, 09:38:09 pm »

Very good question Derek....I suppose in theory it would be correct BUT somehow dont think it is as simple as that
 
 
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2015, 09:49:00 pm »


With my machine the max build area is 200 x 150 x 150mm
PLA and ABS filaments are from about 10quid for a Kilo on a roll, not sure how long they will last as I have only done test prints but so far I've hardly made a dent in the roll.

You need to be very careful with filaments at this price, the cheaper plastics often contain recycled material and can end up jamming in the hot end. So far I have been using plastics from the iMakr shop in London, around £20 to £25 per kilo, with few problems. Make sure you keep the reels in dry conditions or the plastic can absorb water which can cause extrusion problems.

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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2015, 09:57:16 pm »

As an example of what you can do with a printer this is a hull made from an example on Thingiverse. It was reduced in size from the original as the printer used has only 140 x 140 x 90mm build space. As this was printed as a test it used 0.4mm layers so gives a rough surface which will need filler and sanding to finish.
A tube for the shaft and rudder is formed in the print. The hull was made in sections which were glued using Plastic weld which is a solvent for PLA. Total print time was around 40 hours.
The printer is a Huxley from RepRapPro and came in kit form.
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2015, 10:21:39 pm »

Nice, JimG ! Do you have the Thingiverse link ?  :}
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2015, 11:02:56 pm »

Thingverse: http://www.thingiverse.com/

Shapeways: http://www.shapeways.com/

Not that I have a 3D printer - I just like to keep an eye on emerging Tech to get an idea what to buy when the price comes down! ok2

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2015, 11:26:55 pm »

Right a little step by step:-


Unpacked the printer and fitted the print head.  This was easy enough, it just needed 2 Allen screws fitted.


Next job was to level the printing table.  This is done using a program on the printer which places the print head at fixed points.  The table is then leveled by adjust 4 screws underneath.
This took about 5 mins to get up and running.


Next up a test print
The supplied SD card was suppled with some sample test prints, so first print was the 20x20x10mm calibration square


Not bad for a first print





Measurements were taken and its seems spot on, nice and sqaure


Next test print
This one I downloaded from the thingverse website

These are a cylinder, solid cylinder and a capped cylinder.  The capped cylinder test the bridging, and as you can see it is a little dipped on the top.  meaning that its running too hot.


Tonight however didn't go well the first print of the evening failed midway with a filament jam.  The rest of the evening was spent clearing out the extruder and feed assembly and trying to get the filament to load.


All in all an interesting project and one I will persevere with.
Next instalment tomorrow



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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2015, 11:38:26 pm »

You need to be very careful with filaments at this price, the cheaper plastics often contain recycled material and can end up jamming in the hot end. So far I have been using plastics from the iMakr shop in London, around £20 to £25 per kilo, with few problems. Make sure you keep the reels in dry conditions or the plastic can absorb water which can cause extrusion problems.

Jim


Im currently using the PLA supplied with the the printer, so have yet to try any others, but I take on board what you say and will take a look at the imakr shop
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Re: My 1st 3D printer
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2015, 10:01:28 am »

Nice, JimG ! Do you have the Thingiverse link ?  :}

Hi Calimero the link for the stl files is http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:31681

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2015, 10:15:57 am »

That's pretty impressive Essex, for straight out of the box.
A little fine tuning and it will be perfick  :-))


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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2015, 11:01:54 am »



It's certainly a cracking machine. Watching with interest and dreaming.   %)

Is there any noise levels  ?,  in case you have to leave it running in the same room.

Cheers

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