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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #250 on: February 24, 2020, 03:58:32 PM »

Mizzen fitting, when the kit is built as per the instructions there is an error in the mizzen deck or in the cheeks that attach to the sides of the hull.


First the deck fitted, the officer is looking over the buckets to see where the main deck is.


The fit means that the mizzen deck does not get to the sides, if the cheeks are fitted correctly that is.


So first off, the two supports need to be fitted.


Then the fit shows the supports under the deck, there is a lip on the back but its not really that big, a strip will be added later, the gap will be covered with a couple of strips of styrene, all will be revealed.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #251 on: February 24, 2020, 04:26:17 PM »

So the main deck guns,


The Cannon.
The underside of the cannon with a hole drilled.
The pin in the hole in the underside of the cannon, this secures the cannon to the deck.


The wheel and binnacle.


The first two guns fitted, none are run out, so they do take a lot of space up here.


All 6 in position, as you can see they are quite big for the area.


The rope lines will be sorted later, no gun crew are planned for here, as yet.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #252 on: February 24, 2020, 04:29:27 PM »

Well after the mizzen deck was fitted the cleaners asked for a hand, I get the feeling he looks sea sick.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #253 on: February 24, 2020, 04:54:51 PM »

Finally in this series,


A sail cloth roll or a sail rolled up, your choice.


Placed on the deck for 'Donald'.


Donald on his stool with a sail over his lap.


Donald has his arms fitted.


Views of Donald at work, he likes a bargain which is why hes into sails. %) ;D [size=78%] [/size]
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #254 on: February 25, 2020, 05:28:57 PM »

Todays bits,


The guns do line up with the ports.


The Helmsmen in position, though when the mizzen is on they really cannot be seen that well.


A poor shot of the ropes being attached to the wall, still need a lot of work on this bit.


A box for Donald and some rods, the items hide the epoxy over spill.


And the last two are the next projects, once the cannon ropes have been secured etc., the brass bits are the Davits in the hull, due to them hanging over the side they would be knocked off quite easily, so in brass they protect the hull and guard against falling off, same goes for another part of the build, still have to cut the hollow box section for that and the rod.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #255 on: February 26, 2020, 06:00:10 PM »

Well didn't do much today as time taken up with my eldest's dentist appointment - 4 hours I won't get back.  >>:-(


Did some sketches for the standing rigging and moving rigging, also how the yards are to be linked together, the issue now as has always been the sail winch travel and its effect on the sails movement.


When you lay one sketch on the other it shows the disparity in the yards heights, as long as the connecting lines between the top yards and lower yards are the same distance from the pivot point then as one moves so should the other 3, i.e. foremast lower yard connected to main mast lower yard, similarly the top yards, if the lines that are connecting the top yard to the lower yard are good enough then they could in theory rotate each other, but that wont happen, so i will have to split the sail winch line between the top and lower yards on each side.


The pictures are:-
1.  The foremast standing rigging, L is the expected linking point between fore and main masts.
2.  The main mast standing rigging, again L is the expected linkage.
3.  The mizzen mast standing rigging, surprisingly there is no connecting lines to the channel running alongside the mizzen deck area, though to gain access to the battery and receiver the mizzen deck is removable and on Sovereign I used a hook for connecting the ratlines to the yard on the mizzen mast for each side, that has yet to be built in.
4.  The standing rigging between the fore and main mast, with the linkage lines initially shown as dotted, also the connections to the bowsprite.
5.  The sail winch connection to the foremast, as the lines run up the main mast to the underside of the platform and then go forward of this to the foremast.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #256 on: February 28, 2020, 05:53:05 PM »

Today's update (and yesterday's as well).


To fix the mizzen decks lack of width, fitted cheeks to the deck, after shortening the back of the deck where the knee's are.


Then created the two Boomkin's, the first pic is of one of them and the second pic is the tiny hole I have to drill in the ends, it's all painted black at the end.


The next set of pic's is the tiny holes for the standing rigging on the bowsprite.


Then the holes through the hull at the beakhead. Yes there is a hole through the scroll area, again for ropes to the Boomkin, the double hole next to the scroll is for the ropes to the bowsprite and act like gammon's I believe, though the book and the sketches on the internet show only two, the ship currently has had an extra one added since the 1960's, all current photo's show this extra rope to the bowsprite.

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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #257 on: February 28, 2020, 06:03:07 PM »

This is a setting out marking for the bits added to the sides of the ship, it will become apparent later on.


These holes are larger and are for the davits in the sides.


The stern davits are just shown in position.


The port and starboard stern davits, but fixed with epoxy, will need to clean some of the epoxy off later and to paint them, they are in brass to prevent them being knocked off and work very well on the other ship, the side davits are being fitted in stages as the epoxy has to cure, the same goes for the Boomkins, as these are susceptible to damage and the will have rope fitted as well (want to make this look half decent).

Unsure as to whether create the flags locker at the stern as well, will need to think about it.

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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #258 on: February 29, 2020, 05:44:03 PM »

Well todays update,


The right & left side davits, the thread is to stop them dropping down till the epoxy cures.


The carronades and them fitted.


The standing rigging on the Bowsprite, these will be painted Black, as the black thread I have is too thin, and then the brass bits will be painted again.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #259 on: March 14, 2020, 04:59:25 PM »

The latest update,


The standing rigging on the bowsprite is painted and three lines to just above the round houses added.


The davits are given their first coat of black paint.


The two ropes at the beak added, on Victory at the moment there is 3 but pictures in the book and from the 50's & 60's only show the 2.


The next 3 pictures are the boomkins, to be painted black and threaded, though the impression I get they are like davits, fixed at the base and they are lifted via lines from the foremast.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #260 on: March 22, 2020, 08:51:51 AM »

Well, the following 3 pictures are of the foremast,


Before I start the standing rigging.


The 4 black ropes are temporary, they are holding the spars level.


The rear shows the standing rigging, I have yet to interconnect the main and upper spars, of which I have to paint the tree before hand after fitting the upper mast, fitting the upmost spar is going to be a challenge as I have to tie it keep it from being broke off.


All very delicate work. {:-{
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« Reply #261 on: March 23, 2020, 09:57:49 AM »

Here is this mornings work, hopefully I am off on holiday from Wednesday and I can do the main mast.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #262 on: March 31, 2020, 05:29:28 PM »

Well - thats 7 days I will never get back, the cough and cold put paid to anything being done to the Victory, but today I fitted the front ratline platforms, once they are painted I will fit the foremast, also couldn't remember if I mentioned I had repainted the rear of the ships boats (and from the photo - Badly).
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #263 on: April 01, 2020, 03:25:39 PM »

Hope I've got this right (should know after this many years though  >>:-( ) started on the Starboard side, the foremast fitted and the ratlines fitted, now have to give the eyes a rest as every things gone blurry.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #264 on: April 01, 2020, 03:29:32 PM »

This is at 1:180 so does not count in the latest 1:200 discussion over the titannic thread {-)
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #265 on: April 01, 2020, 05:42:46 PM »

Good luck with your rigging mate - I admire anyone that can do this as there are so many books on this complicated subject.  I'm sure you will get it sorted  :-))

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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #266 on: April 02, 2020, 08:13:28 AM »

It's an Airfix kit - so it's designed as not too difficult for the modeler, I'm just making it hard for myself, I do have 8 weeks to fill  :P


I have noticed I put the lower main yard on the wrong way, so it doesn't rotate around the mast as easily as I would like, but I have a fix planned.


Port side to be done today.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #267 on: April 02, 2020, 10:26:11 AM »

Well started on the port, to make it easier to see where the thread is going I placed a piece of white paper behind the eyes, to a certain extent it worked better, the first 3 photo's show the fitted ratlines, not perfect but it's a project.


The rotation of the yard was fixed partly by tying thread to the ring part and securing it to the hook part, the next photo's show the arc at which the yard turns, not bad really.


I then have to rig the main mast.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #268 on: April 04, 2020, 08:05:42 PM »

So, only one picture today, though it has taken a while to get the thing done.


When I put the sails on the yards, I left a large amount of thread on each one, It just occurred to me why, the ropes hanging down the sail for tie to hold it onto the yard when folded up, but I have double knotted them all and cut them short, I could add them at a later date, so been spending the last hour or two sorting them on the main mast yards and done a piece of standing rigging. Tomorrow I will try the top yard and fit that before the middle yard
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #269 on: April 05, 2020, 01:26:27 PM »

so the top yard was fitted to the top mast and then fitted, as was the middle yard and the standing rigging added, will either fit the mast later today or tomorrow and start the rat lines. Rotation about the mast is better on this mast as I have ensured the standing rigging is set further up, when its released from the tie downs then I will know if it's worked or not, then I can get on with the forward rigging and some touch up painting.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #270 on: April 05, 2020, 01:48:42 PM »

Hi Warspite, Its great to see you are still persevering with the Victory and that you are very near to completion!! She looks fab and I salute your efforts to crew her so extensively. Are you trimming or reinforcing the edge of the sails so they are more efficient and last longer? I hate to think of you having to replace them too soon.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #271 on: April 06, 2020, 11:39:06 AM »

To be honest, I don't think the boats going to be on the water that often after a few goes - it's a project to see if the kit bits can be used, with a little bit of tweeking, the crew are to give a little bit of subject matter and I have them on Soveriegn, it's been a while since I built a boat as time is either scarce or I don't have the mojo (to finish of the gun deck I spent ages doing nothing), so the sails are being left as a weathered look, at a distance its the shape, close up to be honest they should have been sorted before I started so if she sails well and I want to go that extra mile I will replace them, though at 1:180 it's going to be difficult to edge them.


Fitting the rat lines fore channel and lanyards for the main mast when I get them from the loft (checked the book for what they are called)
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #272 on: April 06, 2020, 12:08:43 PM »

The sails efficiency is minuscule, if you look at the photo's in the background is my keyboard the smallest sail is about 90 mm wide x 45 mm deep, the biggest is 150 mm wide x 95 mm deep, the amount of push they give is going to be so small, waiting for it to get to the other side of any water is going to a one way voyage even in a stiff breeze.


On youtube, there is a clip of sovereign and if you time it takes her to move 10 metres it's a long wait, 1:44 minutes, only at 1:30 does she pick up speed.
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #273 on: April 07, 2020, 10:24:16 AM »

Port and starboard fore channels and lanyards
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Re: Attempt number two for an Airfix Victory at 1:180
« Reply #274 on: April 07, 2020, 07:07:41 PM »

Well did the rat lines, what a pain, they look like they are a repair job close up, the starboard side were shorter than expected and the use of two tweezers was used, though it still needed more thread and they are slack, so will have to pull the mast forward when the lines go between the main mast and foremast.


The rear fore channels and lanyards will be fitted with the hook and eye system, that it to say when the fore channels are fitted the ratlines will be separated and secured to each respective, the top of the rat lines are then connected to either an eye or a hook and the respective hook or eye is fitted to the mizzen mast.


Trying to get these lines tight is a bug bear, as I don't want to break the piece it's connecting to.
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