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[tigertiger]

The other thing with jousting is that people who already have built a springer, only need to change the super structure for the event. There is no need to build a special sinkable/destroyable model.
You only need to change back to play springer football.

[ian-mccaffrey]

I have read your post and fail to see the problem 
It's model boat mayhem!! And you should see the things that I have came up with for it


1 thing is banned would have to be live ammunition.....
Not because it's dangerous I can get some "good" stuff but Nick may get some cannon rounds going spare from the Tornados 

I also. Now have all my explosives back after having them confiscated by the police lol
But to make it fair
I think we should go along the lines of robot wars. No explosives. 
I'm well up for doing this.  But as big bri said. There should be a standard set of rules to follow regarding the build of the tug it's self.  Not the weapons used

[ian-mccaffrey]

The other thing with jousting is that people who already have built a springer, only need to change the super structure for the event. There is no need to build a special sinkable/destroyable model.
You only need to change back to play springer football.

Personally I think there should be a rule stating that you MUST build a destroyable  tug made from balsa wood
I don't know if you seen my springer at wicksteed. But you could run over it with a car and it wouldnt break as it is so strong

[Klunk]

Working on 3 sets of rules
1 jousting rules
2 springer wars
3 springer football

Once approved by the steering g committee  ie Martin I will post them

[Bob K]

I am getting really concerned about all this destructive stuff.  I hope the rest of us get warning time to pull our scale ships out before that starts.  A bit like the high speed huge lifeboat a couple of years ago, swamped us all with its six inch high wash.

I am quite capable of building a boat to sink realistically without having it sunk by others.   

[gingyer]

Working onsets of rules
2 springer wars

No projectiles everything else goes!


Now how to fit that chainsaw on a turntable and those Bunsen burners to the springer.......

[gingyer]

I am getting really concerned about all this destructive stuff.  I hope the rest of us get warning time to pull our scale ships out before that starts.  A bit like the high speed huge lifeboat a couple of years ago, swamped us all with its six inch high wash.

I am quite capable of building a boat to sink realistically without having it sunk by others.   

Of course we would give out a warning, I think.......

[Danny]

A warning on the lines of -
"Would Mr Klunk please bring the net to the centre of the lake immediately!"


 


I like the idea of balsa Springers!  How many layers of fibreglass matting are we allowed to put on the inside? 

[Martin (Admin)]

I hope the rest of us get warning time to pull our scale ships out before that starts. 

Don't you build  warships Bob?!?!!! 

[Klunk]

Children children.  There will be no projectiles or explosives allowed in springer wars. There are build rules. Simple ones. And one weapon per boat.  Last man standing is normally down to the most shock proof and reliable electronic set up. We done it our club a couple of years back. It's very hard to hit another boat let alone a killing blow. The winner was the boat that was still going after 15 minutes! Yes my motor blew up up as well. Put a 12v battery in it with a 6V motor! Doh. Mjnd you it went very fast till the smoke came

[gingyer]

klunk, you never got the memo....

Standard springer design Balsa hull,
No projectiles
Weapons YES as much as you can fit on a springer !!!!

Winner is the last one floating
And both the Geneva and Hague conventions do not apply in springer wars!
 
 for bob k a 10 minute warning so he and others can run to a safe place
To watch the carnage

Prior to sailing bets shall be taken on the winner at the Scottish stand
Prize money goes on more beer 

[Martin (Admin)]

What about a frame and an 8" x 8" square of paper on the transom.

Springer with least holes after the bought wins!
Put it on the front, voilą, jousting!

[Klunk]

klunk, you never got the memo....

Standard springer design Balsa hull,
No projectiles
Weapons YES as much as you can fit on a springer !!!!

Winner is the last one floating
And both the Geneva and Hague conventions do not apply in springer wars!
 
 for bob k a 10 minute warning so he and others can run to a safe place
To watch the carnage

Prior to sailing bets shall be taken on the winner at the Scottish stand
Prize money goes on more beer 

hmmm i have some 40mm thick balse think I win.
there will be build rules.

[U-33]

Three certain "gentlemen" (   ) who were present at the Mayhem bash sent me a small momento of the event...(those of you who frequent Facebook will understand this instantly)...thanks to Ian Mccaffrey, Darren Carter and Martin Kinghoward for their kindness and their generosity. Their gift now hangs over my toilet door as a lasting momento...it seemed to be an appropriate place to display it.

I shall never forget you, my dear friends...my revenge will be swift and savage.

[ian-mccaffrey]

 :Py

Three certain "gentlemen" (   ) who were present at the Mayhem bash sent me a small momento of the event...(those of you who frequent Facebook will understand this instantly)...thanks to Ian Mccaffrey, Darren Carter and Martin Kinghoward for their kindness and their generosity. Their gift now hangs over my toilet door as a lasting momento...it seemed to be an appropriate place to display it.

I shall never forget you, my dear friends...my revenge will be swift and savage. 

[baloo]

I will never forgot you either,as your always happy and game for a laugh.Martins fault ask Darren,Ian fault ask Darren,Darren fault he will say I was on the phone to Amber ?

[tigertiger]

hmmm i have some 40mm thick balse think I win.
there will be build rules.

I was thinking the same about rules, and thick balsa.


Perhaps one needs to think about a practical design spec, then build one to see if the engineering works out. If it was all balsa there is a possibility that a strong motor would just rip a chunk out of the floor.
Possible solution, but it would need to be tested. If the bow, stern, and bottom are made of the usually ply, it should be strong enough not to collapse under its own weight. If the sides of the hull are balsa, then that would be the point to attack, and defend in your own boat. Perhaps specify 2mm ply. I also seem to remember that balsa usually comes in 50mm wide boards. That itself poses construction limitations.


In addition to no projectiles, or explosives, I would also consider no fires. Wicksteed management may have an objection to that on environmental grounds (polluting the water), and safety (combustibles in an area open to the public). If the latter is raised as a safety concern it could affect the future use of steam. I know it sounds dumb, but we have all seen incidences of the like in the hobby.

[Danny]

The idea is to have a reasonable amount of carnage and fun without losing money with sunken boats.  I therefore suggest another alternative.
As the springer would contain the usual motor, battery, esc and rx, all of which are not only valuable but highly allergic to being drowned, that the hull up to and including the deck coamings are made from standard thickness ply.
The deck opening could even be sealed with some sort of plastic sheet.
This would give a strong, durable base to carry the main purpose of the exercise - the weapon(s) and a destructible superstructure!
The superstructure would be made of light balsa and the purpose of the competition would be to destroy this superstructure - NOT sink the whole boat!
The weapon would need to be designed to smash the top without wasting power beating against the tougher hull.  You would still get the carnage without the loss of electrics and radio gear.
The winner would be the last one with the most intact top.


The same hull could also be used for jousting by changing the superstructure to a "lance" and hinged "target" (ie army type shooting target) which would remain upright until struck by the opposition "lance" when it would fall backwards.  Both opponents would be at either side of a divider (rope through pipe insulation).  The winner being the last target upright.

[Stavros]

I personally am AGAINST all this talk of lets have a war on the water etc etc etc...who is going to clean up the lake afterwards,all I got to say is remember all the MESS that happened after Ian did a explosive demo on the lake at Mayhem a couple of years back.....bits of polystyrene everywhere........WHY damage a model you have spent hours building doesnt make any form of SENSE to me.....it will sadly end in tears with cries of foul you CHEATED ETC..
 
 
 
 
Dave

[Danny]

Absolutely right Dave, we don't want folks going round enjoying themselves, do we!

[Stavros]

Danny common sense prevails here nothing to do with we don't want folks going round enjoying themselves, do we!
 
Klunk spent well over an hour clearing up after the display and tbh there was still a lot od fross the next day.........
 
 
The way this is heading with this crazy idea it will get us BANNED off the lake....
 
All we need is someone to call down from the Wicksteed Park and see us behaving like HOOLIGANS and the event will be HISTORY
 
I am not a party pooper by a long way BUT come on lads COMMON SENSE PREVAILS or cant you see it.
 
How do we know Wicksteed management don't monitor what goes on here and see this MMMMMMMM
 
 
Dave
 
 
 
 


 

[Martin (Admin)]

Moving on then!

[TheLongBuild]

I am sure I have seen somewhere a jousting type Battle ( For want of a better word). A lance with a small wedge or ball or something where you have to knock off a an item of a floating target..  These are not structural Items to the boat but something placed on for this, Ie a polystyrene cone .. But can I find it now, no..   No damage, no mess so should keep everybody happy , especially any one from a management group 

[ian-mccaffrey]

Don't worry about mess Dave .......................
And I'll volunteer to help clean up no problem

I think Dave is expecting boats to be flying around the lake like idiots smashing everything up and ruining it for everyone
Well I'm sure that's NOT what's going to happen

And you can't say what's the point in spending loads to loose it all. It's not worth it. Bla bla bla. Surely you have seen robot wars. Or banger racing. ?? You do it for fun or enjoyment. 
If you don't like it Dave and your not going to participate in the event
Then I suggest that you let the ones who are going to do it enjoy it and let them waste money building it.
Me for one. WILL BE BUILDING ONE !!

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[ian-mccaffrey]

Just my opinion
Everyone is entitled to one !