Thanks guys, need a lot more practice but I think I could like this new activity. Don't know how my missus and the friends we came with manage to do lengths and lengths. I was put off for years as I tried in my teens and someone jumped in and dragged me to the side as they thought I was drowning, they had the best of intentions but I thought if my attempts are that bad I must look like a right numpty, I was so embarrassed, I told our friends and they asked how I swam and I showed me the breast stroke and I've not looked back, my only problem now is I can only swim for as long as I can hold my breath, which is why I can't do a width in one go.