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Jonty

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Fluctuat nec mergitur
« on: September 17, 2015, 09:08:36 pm »

  Just noticed the Latin tag Sparkey signs with. I know it's the motto of Paris, but it would suit a ship or warship. Was it ever used thus?
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Re: Fluctuat nec mergitur
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 09:57:45 pm »

" Fluctuat nec mergitur is a meaning Latin expression "He is beaten by streams, but does not sink." 1, converses about Paris, capital of France.

The currency accompanies the ship represented on the blazon of Paris, symbol of the powerful corporation of Nautes (Traders of the water) in the antique time of her ville2. She could understand as: "Paris, in spite of the time and the adversities of all kinds, is always indestructible".

It appears on tokens from the end of the XVIth century, but is for the city, until the Revolution, only a currency among of autres2. She is made official by an order of November 24th, 1853 of the baron Haussmann, then the prefect of the Seine3.
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Re: Fluctuat nec mergitur
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 11:26:18 pm »

  Very good, Brian. You live and learn. In fact, according to Colledge, there were two HMS Ville de Paris, both 1st rate. The first, of 104 guns was captured in 1782 and foundered a few months later in a gale off Newfoundland. The second, of 110 guns, was launched in Chatham in 1795 and was broken up 1845 in Pembroke Dock.

  Interesting to reflect that, given that pretty much any word ending in -able is the same in English as in French, any HMS ...able (e.g. Implacable and Indomitable) originated in ships we swiped from the French.

  I await the exceptions...
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Re: Fluctuat nec mergitur
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2015, 09:49:39 am »

http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/info.php?ref=2357


Interesting site with lots of background.
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