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Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« on: October 31, 2015, 04:57:35 PM »

Last night after an All Hallows service I invited a lady friend from church back to my flat for a little something to eat.

We had, what I have always known to be Cottage Pie. Minced beef with onions and carrots simmered with a beef stock cube until the water content had been reduced. And then topped with mashed cream potatoes, and put in the oven to crisp the potatoes on the top.

She ate the meal and then remarked that it was a lovely Shepherds Pie.

I pointed out to her that it was a Cottage pie because it had beef as the meat, not lamb  as I had always believed to be the case in Shepherds pie.

Oh ! it's always been called shepherds pie up here in Lancashire she retorted.

Very soon after that she bad her farewells and left.

I feel in a quandary now as I have always known the dish as cottage pie, and feel silly for arguing.

What is it known as in your part of the world, and is there any difference to note by.

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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 05:04:48 PM »

Shepherds watched over sheep and so used lamb, or mutton to make shepherds pie.

I have no idea why cowherds used cottages in their pies.

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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 05:06:06 PM »

Have a look here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottage_pie This should answer your question :-))
 
 
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 05:19:58 PM »

thank you for that Ray. Very informative site. Not seen that before.

What a god send.

Jim.
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2015, 05:23:49 PM »

Looks as if that is another one similar to the Turnips and or Swedes question, oh never mind sprinkle some cheese on it and call it Cumberland pie. And I bet that will bring out a few but I thoughts.
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2015, 05:34:51 PM »

 :D :D :D :D

mind I have always known it as Shepherd's pie and I always thought cottage pie had boiled sliced potato over the top and then put in the oven to brown...

no matter who was right or wrong I bet the meal was lovely and now I am starving just thinking about it :-)

I am off to google pies etc. :-)

Having second thoughts now - you should have just given her bangers and mash or said the chippy opens at 6 o'clock :-)

aye

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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2015, 05:42:27 PM »

Sliced potato on top
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2015, 05:56:42 PM »

I had always thought that the sliced potatoes on top was a "Stovie". ??
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2015, 08:37:33 PM »

My Grandfather was Mr Sheppard...as distinct from a shepherd  %)  [he was actually the County Clerk of the Bulli District 60 years ago]

So must agree with kinmel ...'whilst shepherds watched their flocks by night O0 .......anyway, Nana made shepherds pie with lamb mince   ;)
This incarnation shown below from Capt Podge whilst being termed as Cottage Pie  >>:-(....looks more like meat loaf with 3 singular beans & a slice of tomato 

We must remember that 'shep' is a Hebrew abbreviation of sheep, and 'herd' of 'flock' is of the same Hebrew meaning and origin.....

Considering the interchangeability of the latter two words...we could be eating Shepflock pie, that was baked in a cottage  {-)........ Derek
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2015, 08:44:09 PM »

Cottage pie Beef,
Shepherds pie - Lamb,

or as it is known on Romney Marsh in sheep country - Lookers Pie (lookers being a local name for shepherds.
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2015, 09:27:48 PM »

  Another theory is that one was made with raw meat and t'other with left-over cooked meat, but which was which...

  Similarly, scorn was poured on my statement when having supper with friends a few nights ago that corned beef hash had mash on top. Not in Lancashire, it hasn't. Actually, there seem to be three forms as the New York dish is actually like a crisply fried bubble and squeak with corned beef included.
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2015, 11:22:36 PM »

Mrs M #1 (the American one) once tried to cook a Cottage Pie. Not a bad attempt - it tasted mostly like bricks and wallpaper. I'm only glad she never tried a Shepherd's Pie...  :o

We would have been married for 40 years tomorrow... thank goodness for Mrs M #2!

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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2015, 01:16:51 AM »


@BFSMP
Yes you should 'feel silly for arguing'. Never argue with a woman, especially a righteous one.  ok2


Another recipe.Shepherds pie recipe for ogres.

First, peel two shepherds, ....... :o


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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2015, 06:27:10 AM »

When I first moved to Finland I made Shepherds Pie for my step-kids.

Oldest son(7) to youngest daughter(4) "its made with real shepherds....." *points to a piece of onion* "there's a toenail!"

Funnily enough tho they still ask me to make it

A question tho...
With or without cheese on top?
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2015, 06:39:48 AM »

Shepherds pie made with lamb mince. Cottage pie made with beef mince, both topped with mashed potato. Other contents to suit whatever is in the house, sometimes baked beans, sometimes peas, sometimes carrots.

That is what I grew up with and I am happy to carry on the tradition.

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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 08:04:57 AM »

When I first moved to Finland I made Shepherds Pie for my step-kids.

Oldest son(7) to youngest daughter(4) "its made with real shepherds....." *points to a piece of onion* "there's a toenail!"

Funnily enough tho they still ask me to make it

A question tho...
With or without cheese on top?
Definetly with cheese and served with cauliflower cheese with lashings of Worcestershire  sauce and  chop sauce
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 08:10:12 AM »

"Chop sauce", Pete? Do tell...
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2015, 08:25:12 AM »

Go to a decent supermarket.  Hammond s chop sauce. It's a brown sauce and very very nice
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 08:25:38 AM »

I'll bring you some along for warwick
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 08:25:57 AM »

To go with you pie
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 09:01:02 AM »

I'll bring you some along for warwick
That's very kind of you. I somehow don't think I'll have time to get away from the stand for one of their legendary pies though. Next year it will be different...  8)
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 10:48:03 AM »

Come on lads , the clue is in the name Shepherd = Sheep , the debate cane be opened up its it best to use mince or small diced meat it's mince in our house because it's cheeper , no cheese ,mash spread with a fork so the spuds go brown and crisp .
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 12:27:53 PM »

'Stovies' may be found throughout Scotland - not just Aberdeenshire - in umpteen guises. Ask any dozen people how to make stovies and you'll get a dozen different recipes. My preference is for the corned beef variety, topped with potato, cheese and tomatoes but others will use link sausages, roast beef leftovers or beef mince.

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 01:36:26 PM »

That's very kind of you. I somehow don't think I'll have time to get away from the stand for one of their legendary pies though. Next year it will be different...  8)
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Re: Cottage pie or Shepherds pie
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2015, 02:00:04 PM »

Hi,


If a lovely young lady said to me it was Shepherds Pie I would not disagree with her!




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