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New SAR Vessels
« on: November 18, 2015, 04:56:20 PM »

There have been a few interesting new SAR Boats launched recently. This Pantocarene designed 17m All Weather Lifeboat for the French SNSM has just undergone self righting tests.
French new website with more info, pics and video here:
http://www.bateaux.com/article/21812/snsm-presente-nouveau-canot-temps-ctt

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 05:14:24 PM »

The running gear looks a bit exposed.


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 08:03:40 PM »

The hull is an interesting design, the bow is fascinating, I wonder if that is for wave breaking plus stopping the bow lifting and slamming.
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 11:36:12 PM »

We have a couple of them as Pilot boats on Port Phillip and the hull shape helps when they go through the Heads.
Although Akuna 4 is currently at Port Hedland presumably helping out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL3jp1UhYGQ
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 07:03:52 AM »

As a potential crewman I'd be worried that it carries advertising on the upturned hull :}

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 09:56:44 AM »


Very observant. 

                         Good point

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 11:45:08 AM »

What i find quite interesting is the cost of this boat, compared to the RNLI equivalent. It is reported that she cost 1.4 million Euros. The RNLI website shows the cost of a 16m Tamar as £2.7m which converts into approx 3.8 million Euros. So how come the French can build their boat for 1/3rd of the cost compared to the RNLI?

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 12:03:37 PM »

What i find quite interesting is the cost of this boat, compared to the RNLI equivalent. It is reported that she cost 1.4 million Euros. The RNLI website shows the cost of a 16m Tamar as £2.7m which converts into approx 3.8 million Euros. So how come the French can build their boat for 1/3rd of the cost compared to the RNLI?

Possibly because like a lot of stuff in France they can somehow circumvent EU laws and give huge state subsidies to certain companies! Citroen/Renault come to mind, as does BrittanyFerries.

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 12:12:03 PM »

The european SAR boats tend to be built of steel or aluminium and their fabrication costs are probably significantly lower than our RNLI craft.
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 12:25:15 PM »

They are probably commercial hulls shared with
Pilot boats etc., not bespoke hulls like the RNLI.


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 02:06:56 PM »

Here are a few more photos showing that distinctive bow. Would love to have a go at building a model of her:)

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2015, 03:48:16 AM »

 :-))

At precise 3 pm Friday, November 13th, 2015, in the fishing port of Roscoff, the prototype of the Boat Any Time new generation builds for the SNSM by SIBIRIL Technologies on plans Pantocarène, took successfully its test of reversal! Live the experience of the inside!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcThjtwwS-Q


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 11:41:51 AM »

Another new boat is this 22m Water Jet powered beast, the "RS Idar Ulstein" just launched this month from the Swedeship yard, and built for the Norweigan Sea Rescue Service.

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015, 05:18:24 PM »

Thanks for sharing. THat boat is a fast design.
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2015, 07:21:57 PM »

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Possibly because like a lot of stuff in France they can somehow circumvent EU laws and give huge state subsidies to certain companies! Citroen/Renault come to mind, as does Brittany Ferries.


It's quite defamatory to say that ! 


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[size=0px]They are probably commercial hulls shared with [/size][/size][size=0px]Pilot boats etc., not bespoke hulls like the RNLI.[/size]


This is one of the the main reason !


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2015, 08:18:22 PM »

Possibly because like a lot of stuff in France they can somehow circumvent EU laws and give huge state subsidies to certain companies! Citroen/Renault come to mind, as does BrittanyFerries.
  Tut tut, nothing like that happens in the UK of course ? %) %) %)
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2015, 08:56:13 PM »

The more sophisticated and larger norwegian SAR boat  (58 tons 22 meters 38 knots)  is exactly at the same price 3.8 millions Euros as the smaller RNLI Tamar ( 31 tons  16 meters 25 knots)


Maybe you are not asking the right question ?


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2015, 11:56:25 PM »

The British Isles has a huge coastline and a large part of it is very treacherous and many different designs are required to suit. The British have evolved designs according to their own philosophy based on a lot of experience of working craft inshore and offshore. The RNLI rely on laminated sandwich type hulls which are heavier than alternatives fabricated using alloy. Sea conditions may often prevent speeds in excess of 25knots and this may explain the choice of this speed as a maximum for our RNLI boats.
It is very interesting to see other european designs and how they meet the SAR role
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 10:20:45 AM »

I fully agree with you Perkasaman.  Then the french don't use aloy for large SAR boat.  The FRP composite hull choice here is for the same reason as in UK.  We also have different designs for differents places and differents kind of sea.

Just for your maritime knowledge, in France green hull are Canot Tout Temps (all weather life-boat) (Boat Any Time with google translate  {-) )   Blue hulls are "vedettes de sauvetage" not inshore - still for high sea but not for all weather, smaller size, smaller crew, less equipped but most of the time faster. Some are in alloy 

So this one is a all weather lifeboat, only few will be built to serve in areas where the sea is really hard and where there is a need of taking aboard a full fishing boat or cargo vessel crew

I was comparing the price with the Norwegian boat as answer to gossip style sladering talking - Out of this easy way of thinking, just compare same size/speed/engine/equipment and even same material (FPR composite) for pilot patrol or life-boat :  the price of the french boats is within the average and the price of the RNLI is quite high.

Then for the 3.8 million € most of the time you have a 20 meters boat

About the french shape, this kind of bow extend the waterligne length and by this way the capability of high speed when calm sea.  With choppy sea it prevent slamming and it's really effective, you can delay to reduce speed.  Then with rough sea this bow change nothing - good nor bad. 

This shape named Pantocarène for french and Orca for export is working well since almost 20 years mainly on pilot and SAR boats.

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2015, 11:12:29 AM »

More details about the Norweigan boat here:
http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=10069:new-norwegian-rescue-vessel-named-for-idar-ulstein&Itemid=231
Interestingly, she is operated by a crew of only 3, which is much lower than a UK or French boat would have.

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 11:22:20 AM »

Yes the norwegian crew is only 3.  They are professional seamen living aboard for duty time and are not only waiting but sometime "on patrol" going and staying in different harbor.  Then this crew is completed as required with medical staff, fire fighter or volunteers.  The same system as been "copied" by Spanish and some other in the world.

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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 12:54:22 PM »

Many thanks Xtian for all the information and explanations. Norway and Netherlands have a lot of oil/gas installations just offshore and I can see their need for a larger and faster SAR boat where helicopter rapid evacuation is restricted to a relatively small number of those who can be quickly rescued by air.


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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2015, 02:02:21 PM »

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  I suppose you are talking about the dog  <:(   


About the Norwegian way to manage the Search And Rescue boat with crew on duty living aboard and no land station.  In the 90's the US Coast Guard made an evaluation of this system first in the Chesapeake area.  I visited myself the boat 502001 in Maryland. The aim was to avoid the cost of a land station, with buildings, quay, mow the lawn ...  Then the experiment was named NORCREW for Norwegian Crew


They swap this experiment from Search And Rescue to ATN (Aid To Navigation) with 55 foot boats, then  ... No more NORCREW, may I say the evaluation was not satisfactory for Americans.


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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2015, 02:21:20 PM »

A Malinois  is our family dog  :o  She is now 15 years old. They are a breed which don't make an easy family pet.


Can you post a picture of the large 22metre Norwegian SAR boat. I am sure many would like to see it. I hope you are enjoying your retirement.
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Re: New SAR Vessels
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2015, 02:52:23 PM »

I don't have my own pictures of a 22 meters Norwegian SAR boat.   In the 90's I was aboard of a 50 foot NORCREW  (US Coast Guard)


She's that one






I better understand your message about Diesel, what's the name of yours ?


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