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3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« on: December 15, 2015, 07:08:26 PM »

Like the photo, I am in need of more similar photo's/drawings of the superstructure area, preferably drawings. I've done some searches of google but can't seem to turn up any remotely like it.

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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 07:30:42 PM »

that will be a classic when done . :-))
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 07:55:11 PM »

Hope so Dave. I've been having time out from my current tug build and been drawing up the hull frames in Coreldraw. Get xmas out of the way and I'll cut them out on my laser cutter.

But it won't go much further unless I get some drawings of that superstructure.

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2015, 03:17:01 PM »

The only place where I have seen several builders models of such vessels was at Glasgow's maritime museum, not much help I know to you where you live, but they have some help on line.
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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2015, 06:51:20 PM »

The only place where I have seen several builders models of such vessels was at Glasgow's maritime museum, not much help I know to you where you live, but they have some help on line.

Cheers I'll take a look online.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uCHHyKk2moA/TrEXbBqaJ8I/AAAAAAAAEag/DLHNGG14Yl8/s1600/SS-Semiramis%2BTramp%2BSteamer%2BProfile%2BSide%2BView.jpg

Thanks Klunk but the Semiramis is a much larger vessel, it's one of the Ferris type wooden tramps that were built around and after 1918, updated right through to WW2. I do have all the line plans for that (Ferris) but the superstructure compared to the photo is really different.

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 08:28:29 PM »

Maybe too far away from you but Bilbao Maritime Museum has a few models of similar ships of this vintage.
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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 07:49:45 AM »

Maybe too far away from you but Bilbao Maritime Museum has a few models of similar ships of this vintage.

Cheers for that Steve. We've passed through Bilbao port a few times on the way back to or from the UK. Didn't know it had a maritime museum, but its close to 900 kilometres from us, so won't be visiting soon!

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 09:21:11 PM »

Hi Brian,
 September 2002, Marine Modelling International. SS Aylestone 3 island tramp steamer restoration. A two page article if you have the back copy. This builders half model was restored for St Margarets Bay museum, the bridge section was researched by a local maritime historian who has since passed away. The drawings and the history of this vessel should be available from the museum but I understand the model has been disposed of.
Hope tht helps.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 11:26:37 PM »

https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/more-furniture-collectibles/models-miniatures/half-ship-model-ss-aylestone/id-f_1069604/


If it's the same vessel then there are nine images of the model. 8000+ is the asking price.


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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2015, 01:30:55 AM »

It is easy to sit back & view a model such as this, however 8000+ is I suggest, a rather inflated sum for the scale quality portrayed

1. the decking is questionable...[I find no words to accurately describe what the builder intended with his construction method]
2. the hatch planking is drawn onto [assumed] ply wood...with each pairs of plank retainers shown as a - in a circle and perfectly aligned  {-)
3. the bridge green navigation would appear to be approx. x ten of scale?

Just an observation ;) .....Derek
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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2015, 09:34:57 AM »

The price is high if it was being sold as a scale model but it is advertised for decoration purposes.
Also this is a builders model intended for decorative purposes in a shipbuilders or shipowners head office. These tend to be accurate models but stylised as far as details, eg doors and ports drawn on.
I assume that the deck lines are to represent steel plating not wood and the recipient will expect plank retainers etc to be perfectly aligned.
Fittings such as navigation light were often standard to the modelmaker and would not have been specially made to the model scale, many fittings were bought in from commercial suppliers.

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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 09:49:12 AM »

Yes, as Jim says, the price reflects it as being a work of art and the fact that it is unique. 1:48 scale builder's models of larger ships commonly sell for 10k upwards.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 09:53:38 AM »

Hi,
 Can you please tell me where the nine internet photos are please, I can only get one picture from the site given.
Also is the model still advertised for auction, my info said it was in 2013? 8,000 wow!
These models were built for the boardroom and used fittings from usually, Bassett Lowke, I have seen other models with the same fittings on them, there used to be a catalogue which had all these fittings available from Bassett Lowke.
The hatches, doors and windows were all drawn on in indian ink at this time, artistic licence was used, the model represented the period in which it was constructed and was not true scale as we know it. The carcass/hull was very crudely made from pine.
Thanks   17-09
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Re: 3 island tramp steamer. Help required please
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 10:02:15 AM »

17-09, depending on what device you are using you should see an arrow each side of the main image. Click on the right hand one to see the other images one after another. If you don't seem an arrow then just click (or tap) to the right of the first image.

Colin
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2015, 11:05:27 AM »

Hi will this help you ?

aye
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2015, 04:21:31 PM »

Hi Colin,
Many thanks, seen all the pictures now, not easy to photograph through the glass case as you will know very well.
Brian, There are some nice drawings and photographs of the fittings for these ships in a book called "The Boatswains Manual" by William  A McLeod, It was first printed in 1944 but you might find a copy in a specialised bookshop somewhere.
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2015, 08:00:35 PM »

Hi Colin,
Many thanks, seen all the pictures now, not easy to photograph through the glass case as you will know very well.
Brian, There are some nice drawings and photographs of the fittings for these ships in a book called "The Boatswains Manual" by William  A McLeod, It was first printed in 1944 but you might find a copy in a specialised bookshop somewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2015, 08:37:36 PM »

deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/26_34/products_id/527
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