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Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« on: December 27, 2015, 05:10:06 pm »

Hi all i received this infamous kit as a present from my missus (note from the title I will only be correcting those errors my megre skills and even megerer knowledge will allow) that said as I'm building just a generic ship of the line it will end up being exactly right
I have today ordered some gold leaf for this kit as it worked so well on the La Reale and the Royal Sovriegn, I have some copper leaf and brass leaf, wish I could find some bronze leaf for the canons (does anyone know how I could colour brass leaf to look like bronze
I know everyone will be saying get good am blocks and tackle also bin the thread and get some proper stuff, but, the missus has said keep the costs down, also I feel why spend more on am stuff than the kit cost, so will be investing in bees wax and apart from the gold leaf all else will be oob (apart from maybe some scratch building

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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 11:43:30 am »


Can anyone workout my first problem(It's a biggie, wont be able to go far with this at the moment )[/size]You would think I would have learnt with heller by now (check everything, then check it again.


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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015, 03:39:07 pm »

push me pull me springs to mind
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2015, 03:50:07 pm »

2 hull halves of the same side?
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 03:56:49 pm »

You could always make two half models  :embarrassed:


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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2015, 04:31:57 pm »

Hard 'a port me hearties........there ain't no starboard  !!
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2015, 04:49:39 pm »


Hi all well I cant do much more than this(of course when the gold comes will get more done) I really am peed off though, I know from experience it will be weeks before I get the replacement hull half, stuff like this is really frustrating.
































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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2015, 08:31:38 pm »

Aint it a nuisance? Who on earth is doing their packing?

For the bronze effect, you can get pantina fluids that jewellers etc use and must surely work on brass to give a similar finish?
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 06:18:05 pm »

Hi all well the gold leaf has arrived for this but will leave any guilding untill\if the other hull side turns up.[/size][/font][/color]
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 06:45:01 pm »

did this kit back in the 70s. took a lot of time and painting, but still one of my favourites.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 08:16:48 pm »

Hi all well the part is coming, so here is 2 nights of guilding run out of gold leaf now, will have to order some more)
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 10:39:17 pm »

Blooming heck, you can see why our Navy got rid of their craftsmen! That Gold work cost a large percentage of a ship's construction price.

I hope your piece of hull arrives promptly Ken. The guilding looks very warming on a cold night:O)
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 10:46:44 pm »

That is pathetic when compared to the Royal Sovriegn, but then it (the Royal Sovriegn )cost 67,000 quid, it's why he introduced theships tax

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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 08:36:06 pm »

That is a huge amount for the time!
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 09:19:13 pm »


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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2016, 09:45:31 pm »

I like the blue very much. I sets off the gold nicely.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2016, 08:11:09 am »

You are doing a beautiful job of the gilding and colour work, just like your superb La Reale De France.
Could I please ask that you give more information on the method you use to apply the gold leaf.
I re read your La Reale thread last night and could not find anything on the technique itself.

I am sure I am not the only one who occasionally has need to realistically gild detail on period ships. The last time I used a special paint with gold particles in suspension, but leaf would have looked better.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2016, 01:48:07 pm »


Hi all I've finished one of the rear gallerys so I thought a lot of the detail was hidden so added an oil wash to them





















It requires very specialist tools, a soft cloth and a pair of scissors and a soft brush (I use my missus blusher brush )(that's all I use anyway) this is now my third ship I've guided so I'm still a novice. You need some gold leaf (transfer is easier than loose leaf, although not as hard wearing(being thicker than transfer )) you also need size (this is basically gold glue) you paint it on and leave it for 20 mins (to go tacky) then cut a manageable piece if the leaf and lay it over the piece to be guilded the press it down with the soft cloth then gently brush the loose gold off, you will find little cracks which you then need to re apply some gold leaf to those areas (you won't need to re size)if you find the gold is not sticking you have not left the size long enough oh you will also need shellac varnish as the gold is very soft and easily damaged.


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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2016, 02:10:47 pm »

Thank you for that detail description of your method in applying it, it is an 'art form' I appreciate.
I have a couple of ships with a small amount of gilded filigree work on the stem and stern.  I had used a special paint with gold particles in suspension, but it would be nice to gild them properly.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2016, 02:39:05 pm »

Think I may have to order myself some gold leaf and have a play
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2016, 02:46:16 pm »

I can see this effect being beneficial on the figurehead detail on Ninteenth century warships.

Thanks for confirming what glue you use Ken.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2016, 04:47:15 pm »

Think I may have to order myself some gold leaf and have a play


After perusing the interweb I was suprised at how cheap this stuff actually is and ordered myself a little start kit for 4.99 inc postage
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2016, 05:11:34 pm »

That is probably imitation gold leaf the cheapest I can find is 14 quid 21 with postage, you will need cotton gloves to use that or it will tarnish.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2016, 05:58:15 pm »

This is the one I have ordered:-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gold-leaf-Kit-Gold-sheets-adhesive-brush-Gilding-Art-Design-christmas-gift-/201500782439?hash=item2eea61ef67:g:n-EAAOSw7hRWQzc6


Something to play with.
For the sake of a fiver I think it will be fun to practice with
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2016, 06:11:29 pm »

Sorry I stand corrected, although I get 25 leaves and they are 8 cm x8cm
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