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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2016, 06:12:34 pm »

The tarnishing might even provide some interesting weathering effects if treated carefully, akin to a patina.

Looking forward to seeing your results Mr Essex:O)

Oops, Ken and my messages arrived at the same time!
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2016, 07:50:56 pm »


Hi all here is my first modification












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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2016, 07:52:42 pm »

Bling is the word.  She will look excellent with all that detail emphasised Ken.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2016, 08:47:07 pm »


Hi all well all the guilding is done Just waiting on the hull now








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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2016, 09:13:46 pm »

Well I hope they pull their finger out and get the piece to you very soon. Beautiful work Ken.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2016, 04:07:09 am »

Gingerbread work is the old Royal Navy word/term for 'bling'.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2016, 11:05:27 am »

Hi all well it's amazing the effect threatening to sue, not just for the cost of the kit but also compensation can have. Special delivery today the hull half arrived(no letter of apology or even a note just the box with the hull in it)
So looks like it's back on then.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2016, 11:08:51 am »

Yippee !!!  :-))  Sighs of relief all round.  SO glad you finally received the correct hull half and can continue this amazing build.  Anyone who says "kits" are easy needs a good kicking.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2016, 07:40:14 pm »

Hi all well now the hull half is here I'm like a cat with 2 tails, so my first job to remove the moulded plimsole line (I'm raising it a bit to improve the look) (seen it done elsewhere (davidk's build) and it looks much better)
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2016, 09:13:28 pm »

Huge and impressive.

I echo Bob's glee to see that a bit of chivvying got results.

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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2016, 06:10:08 pm »


Hi all here is tonights update .
























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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2016, 07:20:31 pm »

Blimey
You don't mess about!


Id still be looking at the bits in the box  :embarrassed:
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2016, 07:52:16 pm »


Hi all, I was asked by a few people how I did this wood effect so thought maybe some of you would be interested.

First of all I apologise my the first pics of the procedure are missing as the pics on my phone we're corrupted for some reason, it dosn't really matter  as the process it the same throughout I will explain as we go.
First here is the huge list of things required

this is where my phone let me down I have no pics if this part as they were corrupted(sorry)
the pastels wont stick to plastic so you have to use matt paint (I've no idea if this will work with acrylics as I use enamels but I think it would)
I picked the lightest colour of the wood I'm trying to replicate for the base colour (in this case Humbrol m 63)
paint the wood with a thin coat in the direction of the grain if it looks patchy that is good (helps with the effect)as long as it all has some paint on it (look at the pictures of the hull you can see its very patchy)
once that is dry take the darkest wood colour pastel you are using and lightly drag it over the grain in a random manner not everywhere so it all looks the same , then with the brush, again in the direction of the grain brush it in






then with the highlight colour (we have pictures of the rest of the process from now on) do exactly the same





again brush in the direction of the grain








next get some black pastel and dab on details (anywhere that may get stained from water or nooks an crannys where swilling the deck wouldn't get plus a few random areas





now brush across the gain (only very lightly and only a couple of passes)








now brush with the grain as much as you like till you get the desired effect








now comes the important bit (DO NOT VARNISH THIS YET) the varnish stays wet too long and the pastels merge and you just end up with brown blotches. spray with your missus hair spray at a distance of at least 12 inches ( you don't want it to look wet when that is dry then you can spray your varnish.














Just to show the versitility of this here is some wood from my Mefistofeles which I wanted a mahogany effect (its 1/12 so the wood grain effect is much couser)


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first pastel colour






 the genius of this method is if you make a mistake or don't like the effect (untill you varnish it) wash it under the tap dry with a cloth and your missus hair dryer, ten mins and you're ready to go again, you tell me any other method that's that easy to redo.
Hope this is of some help to some one
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2016, 09:20:33 pm »

I'm afraid that your Captain and officers would have been thrown off of the ship when the Admiral saw the deck in this state. On a warship the deck was scrubbed each morning using sand and stone blocks so would not get stained and dirty. The hull below the waterline was not bare wood but would have been painted brown or white. This brown stuff or white stuff was a protection to try and deter worms and ocean life from growing on the hull. The paint would often contain tar, sulphur or lime although it was not really effective against weed growth which is why these ships would generally spend around 3/4 of the time in port where they could be dry docked or careened for cleaning.

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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2016, 09:29:47 pm »

I have not done the white yet I do know that as I said earlier in the build I removed the moulded plimsole line in order to move it, thanks for the input, I mean no offence but this is only a model and I have no intention of presenting it as a replica of the Soliel Royal (hence the title) this is aesthetically my impression of a 17th century ship of the line after a few years service.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2016, 09:33:05 pm »

Wherever the technique is applied, it is an excellent effect and I can see it being useful in a variety of places such as old wooden structures. well worn  lorry bodies and even old ships in ordinary. I used to use pastels to recreate sprayed camouflage patterns on model vehicles (Too lazy to clean up airbrushes after use!)

Keep up the good work.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2016, 05:03:15 pm »


Hi all here is the next update
some of the many, many cannons, think I will see them in my dreams
















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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2016, 05:58:22 pm »


Hi all these 2 ships are pretty much the same scale (I think it just goes to show how big this ship was)(although the Victory would dwarf the Soliel)



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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2016, 07:42:27 pm »


Hi all here is the next update, 12 of the lower deck cannons, not done much detail work on the carriages as they wont be seen, and done some of the deck furniture, next job to drill the holes out for the gun door ropes( that is going to take some time 104 guns X 2 208 holes then I have to try and think of a way to make the rings for the gun port doors for the ropes to go through.












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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2016, 09:06:13 pm »

Regarding small rings:

Heat the head of a dress makers pin and clip it off when cool (the heating takes the temper out of the steel saving your clippers:O)

Put the pin into your oldest and least important pin vice, or a length of dowel to make a handle.

Using a candle or similar small heat source, heat the pin and poke it into a piece of styrene sheet 1-2mm thick and remove. (remembering the fumes given off, so do it somewhere with ventilation) Repeat until the pin is too cool to push in properly.

You should now have a number of holes with little craters of plastic surrounding them.

Gently sand the best of these flat with some fine sand paper and slice them off the sheet. You should then have a selaction of plastic mini rings for various uses.

I found this as a by product of driving heated dress makers pins into thick styrene sheet to create rivetted armour panels on a 1:15th scale master back in the day.

If the rings are too big, you can do the same with thinner brass rod or piano wire put into a handle

Alternativly, wrap fine copper filament from electrical flex around a length of brass rod. (This is a miniaturised version of how chain mail rings are made but missing the rivetting process!)

http://metalsmithing.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-chain-mail-armor-from-start-finish-0118499/

Remove the coil from the rod and using a sharp scalpel blade, clip along the length of the coil and small copper rings will fall (well usually ping:O( off, so do it carefully and keep and eye on where they go as well as the cutting.

The ends of the rings will be slightly askew, so flatten them with something, like a small ruler or a piece of scrap pine 20/20mm is useful for loads of jobs on the work bench.

Either mthod will give you lots of wee rings that need a some care to handle but havng seen someof the work you have done, you know all about fiddly :-))

I promise you that I have used both processes over the years Ken.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2016, 09:10:48 pm »

Thanks a bunch very helpful, I like the copper wire idea.
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2016, 09:11:44 pm »

Less smelly!
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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2016, 08:56:01 pm »


Hi all here is the next update, I needed to drill the holes for the gun port doors ropes, but I wanted them all in the same place so I made a jig.




















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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2016, 09:22:29 pm »

I salute traditional ship modellers for their patience in working loads and loads of cables, knowing how to knot and when to splice etc:O)

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Re: Heller 1/100 17th Century ship of the line
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2016, 12:14:40 pm »

in the copper ring bit, why not use cling film stretched over a frame/desk, working under the film, this stretch film will act as a method of stopping the fiddle little copper rings of pinging all over the place and contain them for collection when finished whilst still able to see what you are doing.
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