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hms victorys new paint schème
« on: February 19, 2016, 11:08:58 AM »

What colour  is victory , terracotta, pink apparently  the paint scheme  that was used up to present day was the 1926 paint scheme ? Regards  Pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2016, 01:25:06 PM »

The easy parts are the 'new black, which is spot on to Revell Anthracite, or half way between Humbrol Tank Grey and Black, and the red, which is also a spot on match to Humbrol Satin Red, no132. The buff/ochre colour is a bit more of a problem.
It seems to be close to both Revell and Humbrol Flesh colour, but with a bit of a sandy yellow in the mix to take the pink out. We have 'match potted' our big HMS Victory with a couple of options as shown in the picture of her at Chichester last August. Around the forward gun ports you can see two patches of colour. We have since obtained half a coffee pot of proper Victory paint, but it is not really suitable for model use, being thin and glossy. We will, however do some test shots to see if we can find a decent, off the shelf match, watch this space.
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 03:42:16 PM »

That looks pretty close, i would like to see the results of the other paint you have, the programme i saw quite by chance mentioned blue decks and cream masts, regards  pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 05:38:39 PM »

I have heard about light yellow masts..could be interesting..
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2016, 10:49:14 AM »

Was surprised to see your victory sitting quite close to the water at the centre gun ports, which I found happens to my sovereign (victory in another guise), so it never really got explained what the colour was supposed to be, surely the build cost were detailed and kept for the records, so the amount of paint and it's colour or the various colours that went to make up the final colour should be available.
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2016, 11:42:54 AM »

According to the people that tested the paint layers the yard apprentices  mixed the paint recipe with linseed oil, when testing the paint from the time of trafalgar they discovered a layer of soot in the paint, the programme  was called dissapearing britain with larry lamb and maureen lipman, regards  pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 08:03:22 PM »

I bought a tin of revell flesh colour and athracite, the flesh colour does look very  close lm tempted to try it out on my brig hms sophie when get my tablet sorted  my take some pics, regards  pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2016, 12:01:35 PM »

In between Atlantic Convoys over last weekend, I skived off for half an hour to photograph the 'new look' HMS Victory. She is now painted in the new look 'pink and slate grey' finish and looks fine to me. Although the colours are still pretty subjective, depending on lighting conditions.
It was about 4pm and the sun was two hours away from sunset, so the port side was in shadow, while the starboard side was lit from a low angle.
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2016, 12:03:38 PM »

the masts, cannons on the shore and boarding ladders are still painted in the original Ochre colour.
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2016, 12:05:29 PM »

There are still small areas around the stern decoration with the original colour still showing. They offer the best contrast with the new scheme.
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2016, 12:08:29 PM »

The name on the stern is apparently now period accurate also, some took some photos of that too.
Hope this all helps. Our big Victory will get a repaint over the summer, will post some pics as it goes...
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2016, 07:47:53 AM »

Really good pictures and i have to say it looks and feels right even down to the lettering on the stern. As you said the light conditions tend to effect the paint tones, thanks for taking the time to take the pics regards, pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2016, 07:40:51 PM »

I'm wondering what this means for other British vessels of the period.  I'm doing an 1812 frigate - should she be those colors?  Does WHERE a ship was refitted/equipped make a difference?
What about masts and spars?  Will everything formally ocher  get this cream color?
I have no problem with the color or the reasoning/research behind it - I just want to paint my model the correct color.  :)

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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2016, 07:09:40 AM »

Not sure on that one jerry, in some cases i think it came down to how much money the captain had in his coffers so to speak , there is a preserved frigate Hms Trincomalee  at hartlepool i wonder what she looks like paint wise regards pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2016, 10:47:33 AM »

Trinc was Black and white with buff masts last time I saw her.




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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2016, 12:46:19 PM »

Your right Ned, wonder if they ever tested her paint, regards Pete
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2016, 12:50:22 PM »

Ship colours changed quite frequently in those days depending on the local circumstances and, as said above, the captain's pocket. Prior to Trafalgar I think a lot of ships didn't have stripes at all. I believe there was a sort of linseed oil based varnish that was commonly used to protect the wood.

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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2016, 08:34:14 PM »

Yikes, have I got my work cut out. >:-o
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2016, 04:31:36 PM »

This is my hms surprise  in the water for the first time today it was too weedy for props ,its taken  three years to get this point. I used geoff hunts superb book for colours and other details , i did have a chuck all the toys out of the pram moment , im  leaving her the way she is, and best of all she floats, regards pete
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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2016, 04:51:33 PM »

Looks really good Pete.
Colours are as they should be I would say.  :-))


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Re: hms victorys new paint schème
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2016, 05:58:49 PM »

And HOW many times have you watched Master and Commander, before getting the model back on the workbench to do just a bit more?!
Very nice. Don't worry about colours, Victorys new colours do not necessarily mean the same colours for a 38 gun frigate. Anyway its Geoff Hunt accurate and Movie accurate and that would be more than good enough for me, keep up the good work :-))
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2016, 06:13:32 PM »

Your right, its been on and off the bench and i think your right about the colouring there must have been varations , have just got a book of ebay about the special effects  model  ships  built for the hornblower  tv series ,casting my eye over justinian and indefatigable, mmmm, regards pete
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2016, 07:27:39 PM »

If I do another (yea right) it was going to be indy, but I think competion would be better, bonne homme whatever or similar as long as it was near as damn it to 1/180. Bounty is the wrong scale and some others are either too expensive or not nearly as good looking.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2016, 07:56:07 PM »

According to author Martin Saville in his book hornblowers ships thier history and models hms bellona was used as basis for the  model of indefatigable,  have you looked at the heller victory or la soliel, regards pete
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2016, 10:41:10 PM »

I have just finished reading the history of HMS Bellerophon (Billy Ruffian to her crew) and found this contemporary painting of her in Plymouth with Napoleon Bonaparte on board, 1815.
Based on this, your colours seem just right Pete!

 
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