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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #125 on: August 12, 2016, 09:38:13 PM »

Also, if you look closely at the actual ship photo I posted, you can just see one of the "jogged" stanchions.  D.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #126 on: August 12, 2016, 09:57:10 PM »

Also, if you look closely at the actual ship photo I posted, you can just see one of the "jogged" stanchions.  D.

Yep, I see it now Dennis - thanks for that.

Here's another thought: I guess it would have been possible to somehow mechanically link the stanchions to the gun rotation mechanism so that as the gun was swung, so a corresponding connection was made which would push or pull the stanchions in or out...or of course a far simpler solution, ratings just below deck level could run the stanchions in/out on a rack-and-pinion system.

....thoughts are running into overdrive now, time for a brew... %%

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #127 on: August 12, 2016, 10:16:18 PM »

Additional photos clearly show the jogged stanchions being used.  Its times like these when I would give dearly to be able to interview one of the survivors.  I'm not even sure any of them are living now. There will be a movie coming out in November of this year starring Micheal Cage.  It will be interesting how accurate they are with the ship in the movie.  Many changes were done of the Indy over her years of service.  One shot of a preview of that movie showed a bridge deck used in 1938.  That entire upper deck structure was changed around 1944 to how the model I am building appears.  Cheers.  D.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #128 on: August 12, 2016, 11:34:55 PM »

I'm surprised they never just plated out the edge to the stations rather than jogging it, if you had to get to the forward guns how did you pass the rear of the turret without possibly falling through the gap even if the gun is not rotated its a bit unsafe to pass when the idea of a railing is to protect from reaching the edge - this ensure the edge is before the railing.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #129 on: August 13, 2016, 01:30:42 AM »

I certainly agree sir with everything thing you have said.  Wondered the same things myself.  That is why I sure would like to talk with someone who was aboard one of those heavy cruisers.  Not a good chance as they must be in their 90's now.  This will give me something to chew on through the internet, perhaps I can find more detail.  I will be contacting the kit manufacturer for any info they can give me.  When I look at the old photo's I found, I don't see that huge gap between rail wires, almost like they have filled in that lower edge area with something.  That gun housing really overhangs the deck edge when she swings around, old pictures support that.  I doubt anyone would be near that monster when she was firing, but still, you bring up some interesting safety issues.  Back in WW2, they did not have OSHA for safety and I'll bet you didn't have a harness.  But, what do I know... I'm just a 71 yr old kid, who saw the sea aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ranger during my Navy years in 68.  You just got yelled at if you even tried to peek your head out on the flight deck during ops. {-)   Dennis
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #130 on: August 13, 2016, 10:41:58 AM »

Hi,

I don't really know about U.S navy protocol on this. I think Ray is on the right track though.

Most European navies did a routine called cleared for action, when going into battle.
This involved dropping/folding all stanchions and guard rails around heavy armament. Removing and stowing any light weight deck clutter, such as aircraft, shoring timbers, davit hung ships boats and other flamable or blast damageable items.

The thing to remember with heavy weapons is that when fired, the blast from the exhausting powder charges caused huge pressure waves ahead of the muzzles and a large vacuum effect behind them. Delicate structures and even deck planking or deck plates could get ripped up or buckled as a result.

If you wish to portray your wonderful model with the turrets in a firing postion, then it would make sense to have the main deck edge stanchions and rails folded flat as in the battle stations/cleared for action position.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #131 on: August 13, 2016, 07:16:16 PM »

Well, I didn't have much luck in confirming the question of the jogged stanchions.  I did join the Indy forum and have posted the question in hopes a vet can respond or I can get info on this subject.  Dennis
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #132 on: August 14, 2016, 09:34:12 AM »

Hi,

If you look at this image of Indianapolis, you will see the hull edge stanchions run parallel to the hull sides....no jogged? areas around main turrets.

Image of quarter deck on USS Portland shows the stanchions in better detail.

As I mentioned previously, they would have been folded flat to the deck during action stations.

I hope this helps you.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2016, 10:14:20 AM »

I have been intrigued by this too, I have looked at a number of photos of the ship and there are no apparent jogged out stanchions. All I can see in that position is the propeller guards on the side of the hull below the deck edge.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2016, 11:13:10 AM »

Beautiful work Dennis and an intriguing mystery to solve at the same time.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #135 on: August 14, 2016, 02:42:15 PM »

Am I wrong, these appear to jog out from the hull, the indy photo is too far away to confirm.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #136 on: August 14, 2016, 03:30:28 PM »

I don't think so, the following official photos of Indianapolis and Portland show no evidence of jogging out, the second one of Indianapolis shows the turret trained abeam.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #137 on: August 14, 2016, 03:57:47 PM »

Well, I hate to disagree gentlemen.  The first photo I posted shows the stanchions offset at the midpoint of the number one turret.  Some of those photos being referred to are of the stern turret which does not overhang the  deck edge when amidships.  I am sure that other ships had stanchions that moved or were folded down. I cannot find a clear diagram showing that is the case with the Indy.  I have posted a question on the Indy survivors forum, hoping that maybe even a survivor can clear this up.  I will keep searching, as this has really got me wondering.  No question the number one turret extends a fair amount beyond the rail, so either the stanchions are jogged out or folded down for clearance.  Do appreciate the inputs gentlemen.  For me, the case is still open.  Cheers, Dennis
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #138 on: August 14, 2016, 04:03:17 PM »

Perhaps this will help.  D.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #139 on: August 14, 2016, 04:11:07 PM »

One more time.  Sure looks like a jogged stanchion to me.  D.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #140 on: August 14, 2016, 04:19:24 PM »

And still another time.  D.
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #141 on: August 14, 2016, 04:44:31 PM »

Ah, I thought we were talking about turret 3 - my mistake. This pic does seem to indicate that the stanchions were jogged on turret 1. Would they have rigged netting  below I wonder?

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #142 on: August 14, 2016, 05:00:18 PM »

Netting, Safety,!!
No elfins about then.
Clearing for action would have meant
Gun crew dropping the stantions on the way
into the turret.
There would not have been any crew out there
at action stations.
The blast from those guns would have been
life threatening.

Colin,
Guns are not numbered but lettered,
From the bow, A nd B etc
Going towards the stern X, Y etc.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #143 on: August 14, 2016, 05:14:52 PM »

Interesting, one of the Indy survivors had the guns numbered.  I just installed a rolled boarding netting, but would sure make good sense to have some kind of safety and sure agree that you don't want to be anywhere near one  of those 8" guns when it was fired... those they were manned internally... wonder what that was like.  Thanks for the help gents.  Dennis
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #144 on: August 14, 2016, 05:17:18 PM »

Ned, A,B,X,Y etc. were RN designations. The US Navy called theirs by numbers.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #145 on: August 14, 2016, 06:02:20 PM »

USN never got much right  {-)


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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #146 on: August 15, 2016, 07:23:32 AM »

Ok, this should settle it.  This WW2 photo of the Indy in rough seas "clearly" shows jogged stanchions on the STBD side of number 1 turret.  Lets move on.  Dennis
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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #147 on: August 15, 2016, 08:51:54 AM »

Conclusive proof!!

Well done on the research. A strange arrangement though, non the less.

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #148 on: August 15, 2016, 11:18:28 AM »

Thanks for clearing that one up Dennis - your determination, our curiosity = job done! :-))

Just goes to show how much accurate detail your model contains. :-)

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Re: USS Indianapolis CA35
« Reply #149 on: August 15, 2016, 02:30:26 PM »

Thank you sirs,  I have seen stranger things and its funny how some of this stuff can get one hooked and more amazing yet, how powerful the internet truly is for information.  Enhances the hobby that much more.  Back to work.  Dennis
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