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Floating Crane information
« on: October 20, 2018, 08:17:05 PM »

Hi everyone


Whilst I'm waiting for my car to be fixed (awaiting spares) I was given an early Christmas present by my mum- the latest Perkins British Warship Recognition Volume. In the incomplete section (volume VIII) there are some very unusal vessels drawn, one of them called Crane Lighter Number IV. A bit of research and I find that she was nicknamed 'Clive' due to her initials CL IV.
I've only found a little bit of information - built on the Tyne in 1916, sunk 1942 at Malta, 220ft long 87ft wide. I'm wondering if anyone has any other information on this vessel as I think it would make a good model with some real difference to the usual warships that I usually build. Anything would be gratefully received. :-))


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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 10:01:32 PM »

Thanks Kevin


Some of those I had seen but the Malta link and the Facebook page are interesting reads.
Many thanks  :-))
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 07:26:43 PM »

Hi Nick, the RMAS had two old Crane Lighters which were in their earlier years steam powered and I believe self propelled one in Pompey and one in Devonport, but by the time I knew them they were dumb barges and running on diesels, but fun to tow around usually with a dog and a smaller tug.
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 10:38:23 AM »

Thinking outside the box a little.  This Crane is exactly the sort of thing that Meccano Magazine used to love to write about.  You can read Meccano Magazine online for free now at http://meccano.magazines.free.fr/  Why not try there.
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2018, 10:17:23 AM »

Hi Nick, the RMAS had two old Crane Lighters which were in their earlier years steam powered and I believe self propelled one in Pompey and one in Devonport, but by the time I knew them they were dumb barges and running on diesels, but fun to tow around usually with a dog and a smaller tug.


Hi David,


Thanks for the information, I now know that weíre 8 large 250t steam powered crane lighters in use at Royal Navy facilities around the world. Great to know some survived longer than I expected.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 10:21:43 AM »

Thinking outside the box a little.  This Crane is exactly the sort of thing that Meccano Magazine used to love to write about.  You can read Meccano Magazine online for free now at http://meccano.magazines.free.fr/  Why not try there.


Hi TailUK


Thanks for the link-


Now that is an interesting point, when I was doing my initial research last weekend there were some links that popped up on the search engine mentioned Meccano. Iíve had a quick look on the link youíve provided and there is an American floating crane article which is very similar so there might be some more.
Iíll keep you appraised when I find some more. :-)

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 12:26:16 PM »

you might even find some info on the meccano forums - eg http://www.nzmeccano.com/forum/index.php
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 12:32:06 PM »

Hello I also belong to a Meccano society,
http://www.hsomerville.com/wlms/
We have a member Peter Goddard who is a mine of information on large cranes and recently made a large Floating Crane model.
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 12:51:50 PM »

Thanks guys, :-))


Definitely checking out both links, Iíve found a reference to CLIVE from a Meccano magazine dated 1931 which was repeated in a book called Wonder Book of Wonder Engineering. Managed to find a copy on eBay for a reasonable price.
Thanks for your help so far. :-)
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2019, 03:29:21 PM »

Hi Nick, the Pompey tug I remember is CL7 and one of those you are talking about, but in the 1970/80's they were cold moved with a dog and a small tug. CL5 was at Devonport, similarly moved by tugs but both still then I believe still retained their screws , but never used them. Once when CL5 was being moved in a gale of wind the pilot moved the crane round 90 deg's to assist the move.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 08:03:06 PM »

I can't wait to see your build log for Clive Nick! It reminds me of a coaling hulk I would love to build (one of many ideas  {:-{ ) based on the old old HMS Agincourt hull and festooned with steam cranes. Yours and the hulk would make attractive dockyard moving accessories.
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2019, 08:30:58 PM »

I think you and I have very similiar ideas O0


I bought some plans off ebay but unfortunately they turned out to be an Italian crane that sat on a barge, slightly mis-leading but never mind- they weren't very expensive so I'm not too bothered.
The Wonder Book of Wonder Engineering arrived last month and it does give a little more information it only has the same photo as the ones already seen. I think I may draw up a rough idea of the hull based on probable designs of powered barges. I may enquire at the NMM plans section to see if they have original plans first but only if they include all drawings- no point if they are missing hull sections and waterlines.
I've got a couple of projects to finish first so I've got plenty of research time.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2019, 09:03:36 PM »

Hi Nick, I have no idea of the under water hull, but seem to remember the top above water was a square hull. With a swim head bow, moved the CL5 at Devonport a few times when training for a ships pilot and used to berth outboard of CL7 with the Goldeneye at Portsmouth, beamy hulls but then they had to be for stability. At Chatham we had a tripod lifter came to Chatham after the war from Germany as war repatriation, had more concrete in its bottom than the M2 bridge.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2019, 10:19:05 AM »

On TV yesterday there was a documentary called the Desert Rats, in it refered to the malta base in stopping the italian push into egypt, it shown the following picture - the same crane ?
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2019, 06:50:04 PM »

Hi there


It certainly could be, the little bit of info on the history of the CL IV says it was based at Malta for a while.
Thanks for sharing the picture, Iíve been trying to find further pictures but been unsuccessful so far.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2019, 09:07:27 PM »

The crane shape and layout look the same. I cannot see a second funnel to be certain but if the books say she was honing around Malta then it is likely one and the same.
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Re: Floating Crane information
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 08:04:06 PM »

A bit of an update on my research...


I found this picture, probably of a sister floating crane of the same class, being dismantled. Not sure but looks like one of the twin funnels has already been removed. What do you guys think?


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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2019, 11:26:06 PM »

Nick....the twin funnel heights shown in the first 2 images appear far lower in total height to that of the single funnel left in the last image


The funnel height difference is something like 160% taller in the last image


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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2019, 12:01:27 PM »

I agree, it looks higher than the first pictures and slightly higher than the one I posted, I seem to think there is another funnel about an 1/8th of the diameter sticking up where the second funnel would be with a chamfered outlet, or maybe it just been removed to allow them to remove the boom which appears to be in parts partly behind on the jetty and to the left
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