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something to think about
« on: October 19, 2016, 03:02:16 PM »


as this wreck is not a war grave........should it be raised and preserved.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/did-nessie-help-win-war-105953857.html


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 03:26:41 PM »

Ask the German Navy.
It's theirs not ours.


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 04:57:13 PM »

as this wreck is not a war grave........should it be raised and preserved.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/did-nessie-help-win-war-105953857.html


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 05:30:13 PM »

We cannot find the funds to preserve our own
heritage, let alone someone elses.
We hear the cry 'This should be preserved, or that should not be lost to our nation's
How many of these actually get out there and fund
raise or find funding?
The one group that shows how it should be done
is the Waterways recovery group  who put time
and labour into bringing our derelict canals back to life.
If you want it preserving Jim, get out there and do it


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 05:40:32 PM »


I never said it should, Ned.


I just asked the question should it. A different matter.


It was more to see whether, as there are strange crushing features on the vessel's hull, should those stories given by the German crew, credence and be investigated.


I also didn't say "WE" as a nation should do it, even though it is inside the UK's territorial waters, and as the German government and societies seem more positive and interactive about their own maritime history, perhaps they should raise her themselves.


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 06:08:17 PM »

I suppose in one respect, yes, if finances were available - it would be interesting to have a look to see if she was attacked by the said Sea Monsters.   But, as far as raising it and preserving it is concerned, I tend myself to say NO, due to the fact that - for the last say, 100 years, we have plans available for roughly about 85 - 90 % of the vessels that were built,.  So, if we really wanted to re-create or have a vessel of unique stance say a battleship - and the finances were available - we could do it that way like they did with the steam train Tornado.   I know its not the original thing, but, it is as close as we would come across.   Just my thoughts mind you ....

personally, if one is on about lifting and renovating wrecks - I think they should have left Donald Campbell's 'Bluebird' as a monument and  maybe spent the money that has been used for her restoration for going after the world speed record on water.

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Re: something to think about
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2016, 06:13:49 PM »



personally, if one is on about lifting and renovating wrecks - I think they should have left Donald Campbell's 'Bluebird' as a monument and  maybe spent the money that has been used for her restoration for going after the world speed record on water.

John


Has that restoration been completed yet, John.
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2016, 06:21:44 PM »

Don't do it, for it is said that once every hundred years, the dread beast shall return and claim her prize. The souls of all those who trespass upon her watery realm...or something like that. If only all these 'preserve or not' questions could be answered by seeking occult answers....simpler world altogether %)
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2016, 06:22:08 PM »

Looking at the low Def multi beam image
proffered, a casing stowed mine could
have detonated and breached the pressure
hull. more likely to have been mining the channel
than looking for transatlantic aid carriers.


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Re: something to think about
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2016, 06:22:48 PM »

here's an article about the restoration BFSMP - but as far as can tell its still ongoing - I really do have mixed feelings about it.



http://www.lancashirelife.co.uk/homes-gardens/property-market/the_work_to_restore_donald_campbell_s_bluebird_in_coniston_1_4224765
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2016, 06:26:47 PM »


here's an article about the restoration BFSMP - but as far as can tell its still ongoing - I really do have mixed feelings about it.
http://www.lancashirelife.co.uk/homes-gardens/property-market/the_work_to_restore_donald_campbell_s_bluebird_in_coniston_1_4224765


I can understand how you feel, John.
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2016, 08:00:09 PM »

There is a precedent for this, a second world war German submarine U-534 was salvaged and is now on display at Birkenhead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-534
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2016, 08:04:32 PM »


There is a precedent for this, a second world war German submarine U-534 was salvaged and is now on display at Birkenhead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-534


wasn't that taken away in 3 pieces some time ago.
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Re: something to think about
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2016, 08:53:45 PM »


wasn't that taken away in 3 pieces some time ago.

No, can be seen at Woodside - in three pieces.

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Re: something to think about
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2016, 09:26:31 PM »

It was originally salvaged and taken to Birkenhead exactly as it was found on the seabed. 

It was part of the Warships Museum for 10 years, where it was very carefully preserved and prepared for public viewing.  I was fortunate enough to be amongst a small number of visitors who had a guided tour through the boat when it first arrived at the museum in 1998. At that time only the armaments had been removed and the boat was knee deep in silt, the boat was exactly as it was on the day it sank.
Unfortunately the Museum failed and the sub was split into 5 sections to be moved the few miles to Woodside. It is now on display as three sections, but it is no longer possible to go inside the hull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgMG5dBe1bg
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