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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2017, 09:54:41 PM »

Definitely agree with "boots on" Dennis, the appearance will be much more pleasing to the eye. O0

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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2017, 11:09:37 PM »

Having boots on feels right Dennis. The shape of the turret is very attractive.

Your cranes are astounding! I assume the inner hook was nearer the mast for lifting heavier loads?
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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2017, 11:41:14 PM »

Hullo Dennis......you could consider chemically blackening the aluminium barrels......the process does penetrate the substrate and the surface finish is only a few microns external oxidation in depth. This can be waxed or oiled just like the BLUED surfaces applied to rifle & other gun parts

It will also maintain the machining marking in the barrels & be so lifelike

As the other Guys have mentioned the baggy boots are fine & left a Karki of washed light green tone would be best............. Derek
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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2017, 01:24:57 AM »

Hi Derek,  Yes, its called "Blacken It" and I have some.  I would certainly consider it, but it appears the Arizona had her barrells painted.  Tks for the good suggestions sir.
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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2017, 02:10:41 AM »

Final paint and colors on the cannon.  Three more to go.  Actually, the cannon that will have a catapult mounted on top of it will not have the red top.  I'm having some problem liking that red top, but I have too much confirmation that it was used when the Arizona was at Pearl Harbor.  Dennis
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« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2017, 11:02:02 AM »

Coming along nicely Dennis.  I agree with you about the red turret tops.  That red hits you between the eyes and it feels like they will be the most prominent spots of the finished model.  Perhaps tone the red down a little?  I don't want to start a debate on scale effect, but very bright colours are only very bright close to.  Distance always tones things down and in my view muted colours give a more convincing appearance when viewing a model.  But that's just my view.  %)


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« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2017, 08:21:06 PM »

It is good fun modifying the colours. Medievil figures are often painted way too brightly.

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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2017, 09:12:41 PM »

Good suggestions and I agree.  I'll tone it down some.  Cheers... Dennis
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« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2017, 09:27:59 PM »

Dennis....you could also block the rectangular swatch in....ie., a uniform grey border width on all four turret top faces, and the swatch within  that grey border..........Derek
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« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2017, 10:01:50 PM »

I considered that, but I found it a mixed bag, some modelers took the color to the edge, others created a setback border.  I could not find any color photos of U.S. Navy battleships, but did find some black and white which shows the color change, whatever it was, going right to the edge.  So I decided to take mine to the edge.  Dennis
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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2017, 10:41:08 PM »

Anyone know why the turret tops were painted red? Were any other battleships given the same colour scheme?

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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2017, 10:45:15 PM »

Different colours were worn by each squadron - red being for 1st Squadron. :-))

I'll try to re-find the link where I got that from....

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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2017, 10:53:20 PM »

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« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2017, 10:55:58 PM »

Wow....this is rather definitive........ :police:

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U. S. FLEET LETTER NO. 1 USL-41

From: Commander-in-Chief, United States Fleet
To  : FLEET
Subject:      Turret Markings for Identification by Own Aircraft

     1.      This letter replace U.S. Fleet Letter No. 13L-40, which letter is hereby cancelled, since colored tails for aircraft are being eliminated.

     2.      Battleships and cruisers shall paint the tops of any or all their forward turrets or enclosed mounts with the following colors for identification by their own aircraft. When stripes are involved, they shall be painted parallel to the axis of the guns.


BATTLESHIPS
Battleship Division ONE . . . . . . . . . . . . .  Red (Solid)
Battleship Division TWO . . . . . . . . . . . . .  White (Solid)
Battleship Division THREE . . . . . . . . . . . .  Blue (Solid)
Battleship Division FOUR  . . . . . . . . . . . .  Black (Solid)
Battleship Division FIVE  . . . . . . . . . . . .  Yellow (Solid

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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2017, 11:00:55 PM »

That is very interesting - thanks guys, you do learn something new every day.


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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2017, 11:46:49 PM »

The Trumpeter kit cleary shows on its paint sheet turret tops to be painted insignia red. This colour is very much like the colour of our post boxes.When I get round to building my model because of all the uncertainty of the colour scheme at the time of Pearl Harbour will go for a standard navy grey pre attack.Dennis Is right to use a dark grey paint scheme for is model think this measure one.Look forward to more pictures of this build.


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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2017, 01:07:57 AM »

Excellent link and information gentlemen, much appreciated. Though I originally painted my turret tops Insignia Red per plan, I have changed to British Crimson.  It does tone the bright red look down nicely.  I'll have pics later for you.  I have also taken the liberty of bringing my color out to the edges of the turret top based on the photo's I could find of another US Battleship.  If anyone can find a photo or proof that I should place a gray margin on those tops, please let me know.  So much controversy on the final hull and vertical colors.  Most saying that her major color was a dark blue or blue called Meditteranian blue, I found an article that strongly suggested a Dark Gray and provided a color chip.  I printed that chip off and the color that printed out was an exact match to a dried splash of my Dark Gray paint.  So, I decided to go with it.  That dark blue almost looks black and I think that was a bit much.  Bottom line is that I will never produce a true look of what the Arizona looked like in her last hours, but it will be close I think.  Thanks for all the help sirs.   Dennis
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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2017, 04:44:17 AM »

Ok here is the final colors on the cannon.
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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2017, 08:47:42 AM »

Ok here is the final colors on the cannon.

Morning Dennis, looking Good!    :-))

Any reason you call them "cannon"?
 Americanism?...




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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2017, 09:19:40 AM »

Yes, that's better. It doesn't shout at you like the original did. And if Derek's quoted message is the only instruction given then the exact shade of red is not specified, so who's to say that your rendition is wrong?


Still loving your build log  :-))


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« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2017, 01:17:58 PM »

As has been discussed previously, it's not worth agonising over exact shades when painting model warships. In reality the perceived colours of the ship would differ considerably depending on the ambient lighting conditions and the reflectivity of the paint finish. It strong sunshine the turret tops might well show up as bright red with the light behind you but in cloudier conditions or against the light the colour would be much more subdued.

As far as models are concerned, the brighter the paint you use, the more 'toy like' the model appears so it is usually best to err on the side of toning down the shade for more apparent realism.

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« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2017, 06:31:49 PM »

As always, good info and thank you.  It appears that some of you have tried to contact me personally through this forum. For some reason, I did not get many of those msgs.  But, just to answer those questions:  I purchased my Trumpeter kit and MK-1 Upscale kits from Amazon.com.  The scale of the model is 1/200.  My color scheme is all Model Master water based paint called Akryl.  Low odor and works fine for me.  Bottom color is British Crimson, Boot stripe is Flat Black, Main hull and Super Structure is Dark Gray.  Above funnel height, will be an off white, not a bright white, more a dirty white..... haven't got there yet.  Main gun casing tops are now British Crimson. 

Sorry, my terminology is probably all over the place.  I think the term "gun" is for the lower caliber.  I use "Cannon" for the big boys and I think they were even called "guns" in the US Navy.  I've built so many British old ships of the line where everything seemed to be called Cannon.  Probably where I got that term...so, excuse my ignorance, its just me.  Build on!  Cheers  ;) Dennis
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« Reply #72 on: January 26, 2017, 02:36:58 AM »

Ok, am beginning the build of the ships boats, 10 of them, Capt. Gigs, motor launches from 50ft to 26ft.  So the picture is of a 50ft Capt.'s gig or some call  them Motor Launches.  That is an American dime next to it for scale.  I believe this is the smallest model I have ever put together.  It has a number of pieces, plus the upscale kit provided all the bronze railing.  I think this will slow me down some.  Cheers,  Dennis
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« Reply #73 on: January 26, 2017, 03:12:57 PM »

Cannon calibre stops around the 40mm mark anything bigger is a gun, i.e. Gun 120mm Tank L11A1-6  RARDEN cannon is 30mm Bofors "gun" is 40mm so confusion there.  :}
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« Reply #74 on: January 26, 2017, 06:30:03 PM »

Thank you sir!  I knew it had to be that way.  I seem to recall from my old navy days that a "Boat" was a boat, up to 50ft, and then it was called a "Ship" after that?? :-)
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