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« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2017, 11:00:37 PM »

3 of the 4, 40ft motor gigs done.  Like building individual model kits.  What fun! :-)   Dennis
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« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2017, 11:01:06 PM »

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« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2017, 07:38:56 PM »

Well, gentlemen, I need your help.  I'm trying to find out what this part is called.  It appears that four are mounted on the side of number two turret.  I want to find detailed pictures of what the thing actually looked like.  I'm thinking it has something to do with be towed behind the ship or from the side from poles... maybe a mine snagger or something to do with anti-sub warefare??  Would appreciate your help on this.  Regards,  Dennis
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« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2017, 07:46:36 PM »

Almost certainly a paravane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paravane_(weapon)

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« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2017, 07:53:30 PM »

Thank you Colin...... yes, that's it.  Now that I know the name of it, I can find tons of info on the net.  You folks are great! :}   Dennis
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« Reply #80 on: January 31, 2017, 09:40:13 PM »

Thanks for all the help, got my first one assembled with additional Upscale kit parts.  This required removal of the cast tail fins and thining of the main cross members to allow more correct parts.  Upscale made a big difference.  Tedious working at this scale.  Moving on (3 more to make) and back to ships boats.  Dennis
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« Reply #81 on: January 31, 2017, 09:40:42 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2017, 08:48:44 PM »

Good lord, even on a piece that small, the detail is amazing!
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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2017, 10:32:29 PM »

Ok, the ships boats are now completed and waiting to mount at a later point in assembly.  Fair detail went into these little kits and a ton of painting.  Which brings me up to the point of detail.  I happened to a build on the Model Warship Forum.  A Mr. Jeff Sharp posted his entire build on that forum, finishing in May of 2014.  Same Trumpeter 1/200 Arizona kit.  He did a ton of research and discovered many errors in the Trumpeter kit.  His main source was a movie that was taken aboard the Arizona just after her 1941 refit in the Seattle area.  He was able to get freeze frames of various areas on the ship to prove the detail issues and make corrections.  So,  I have chosen to use his posting and pictures to help me with added detail. There is no way that I'm going to make all the changes that he did.  I had to draw the line somewhere.  I imagine the rivet counters might have issue with my thoughts here.. I'm not sure.  I've just decided to do what I can, when I can, with my ability as a modeler.  He chose to model the Arizona just before she arrived at Pearl Harbor and her colors reflect that.  I'm leaning more towards just prior to the attack which destroyed her.  I'd like to make a model that is in memory of those who lost their lives aboard her that fateful day.  And so it is.  Mr. Sharp has greatly affected how I am showing detail and I am confident in his research as being accurate.  Even the expensive Upscale kits are not totally accurate, but are proving to be very good at adding finer detail into the model, so I deem them worth the expense.  I certainly cannot compare myself with these other fine modelers and I hope you dear folks are enjoying the build as much as I am.  Best regards, Dennis
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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2017, 10:33:10 PM »

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« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2017, 10:34:02 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2017, 10:37:20 PM »

I suppose that if the basic kit is wrong the the expensive updates are only going to enhance the irregularities unless specifically designed to rectify these. Your boats are exquisite models in their own right Dennis.
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Re: U.S.S. Arizona BB-39 Static build
« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2017, 10:38:58 PM »

I salute your endeavours Dennis - those boats look fantastic - thanks for the update, you're doing great. :-)

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« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2017, 11:14:52 PM »

Thank you gentlemen.  Here is an example of a scale correction I just completed on one of the mid cranes.  Two ladders and platforms were added from extra PE I had from one of my earlier models.  I think it was worth adding and makes sense.  Cheers,  Dennis
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« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2017, 08:55:13 PM »

What a complex structure. I like it  :-)) Were the cranes supported by stays or free standing? The pipe used as the mast looks stout.
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« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2017, 09:26:24 PM »

Free standing, no stays that I could find.  She designed to pivot
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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2017, 10:22:42 PM »

Right oh. I wondered if they had stays in the areas where the cranes did not work, but there's no need for them if the columns are strong enough.

Lovely work Dennis.
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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2017, 10:37:23 PM »

Amazing work Dennis, the American battleships certainly did things different to the European powers of the time. They look very substantial compared to the derricks the RN used on their ship's.
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« Reply #95 on: February 10, 2017, 02:37:38 AM »

Stairs and ladders starting to go in from the PE Upscale kit.  Great improvement over the plastic ones provided in the kit.  A bit fiddly, but worth the effort.   Dennis
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« Reply #96 on: February 10, 2017, 03:02:30 AM »

Yes Dennis.....those fine ladder assemblies look great...not sure if you will paint them to scale.......however I believe  the following would have applied

Hand rails = White
Lower structure  = Ships Grey
Stair tread top surface = Ablative Charcoal

BTW....when twin [side by side] ladders were installed, the Port side ladder is UP.....the Stdb side ladder is DOWN..no exceptions permitted <*<

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« Reply #97 on: February 10, 2017, 04:03:49 AM »

Thank you Derek,  I will give that consideration.  All I remember of my navy days aboard ship was everything was painted grey... and I could be wrong on that recollection.  Aye, aye.. sir!  Very rigid rules and you know what, you did them without question.  I was a good sailor, but when my 4yrs active was complete, I was ready to be independant... and that is truly relative. There will always be rules.  Oops, getting off topic here.  Cheers!  Dennis
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« Reply #98 on: February 10, 2017, 04:15:07 PM »

Dennis.......my only references for the USN ladders colours were from BB63 and a Ticonderoga Class during their attendance to our 75th Naval Centenary in October 1986 here in Sydney

Both amazing vessels, however for greatly different reasons

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« Reply #99 on: February 10, 2017, 06:35:53 PM »

Tks Derek, my brief research brings up the fact that some of the outside ladders were indeed done in the white rail, grey body, dark grey treads... however, many were done all grey, all over the ship and some were done all white inside.  Because I think it looks cool, I did the doubles on the white and grey combo and the rest will be grey.
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