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speaking of money????
« on: April 26, 2017, 03:20:35 PM »


I thought the idea of these new 10 sided pound coins was that they were none forgeable, lol.


someone is pumping them out already......


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 05:34:43 PM »



Hi, they are not 10 sided, they are 12 edged... :} , not sure why they keep referring to them as 12 sided ?.


Also if it is the same article I read I believe that the coin may be a coin that was given to some companies for them to test the machines beforehand but has somehow been put into circulation...The Mint still claims there are no forgeries out at the moment.


As even the old one pound forgeries were easy to detect I doubt a good quality forged coin as shown would be available yet, but I could be wrong.


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/hang-on-to-your-forged-new-%C2%A31-coins-they-could-be-highly-valuable/ar-BBAkMXx?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 09:29:47 AM »

I thought they were unforgeable due to various security devices built in
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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 10:11:00 AM »

I thought they were unforgeable due to various security devices built in
So sophisticated they cost 2 to make  {-)
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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 10:24:55 AM »



Hi, they are not 10 sided, they are 12 edged... :} , not sure why they keep referring to them as 12 sided ?.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/hang-on-to-your-forged-new-%C2%A31-coins-they-could-be-highly-valuable/ar-BBAkMXx?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp


a] because there is a face and obverse side and god knows how many faces around the circumference....which, in their own way are faces, just as those are faces around a cube. They are only not classed as faces if they are a 2D projection as in an orthographic drawing!

b] now who cares whether they are 10 or 12 sided, doesn't alter the point that there have been stories that they are being forged........what a waste of money altering them in the first place......imho.
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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 10:57:33 AM »

They aren't being forged, the Mint simply says there are minting differences making them all slightly different.
They can be forged if you try hard enough but the two metal coins are a lot harder to do well.


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 01:24:49 PM »


a] because there is a face and obverse side and god knows how many faces around the circumference....which, in their own way are faces, just as those are faces around a cube. They are only not classed as faces if they are a 2D projection as in an orthographic drawing!

b] now who cares whether they are 10 or 12 sided, doesn't alter the point that there have been stories that they are being forged........what a waste of money altering them in the first place......imho.


2 sides 12 edges...


Only the 1 NON story , just reworded by various news agencys

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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 04:23:00 PM »



 who cares whether they are 10 or 12 sided,


Well I won't be taking any 10 sided
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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 04:48:24 PM »

Not many circulating in Kunming I reckon
But, how many are going to count the sides
or whatever?.
Did you ever count the sides om a threepenny
bit, or for the youngsters, the sides on a fifty pence piece?.


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 05:47:44 PM »


2 sides 12 edges...
sorry to be as pedantic as yourself  longbuild but the definition of an edge is.....


an edge is a line segment on the boundary.... ie. a 2D defining line


Anything that has 3d definition is a face or side.     therefore, 14 sides or 2 sides 12 faces


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 06:02:46 PM »

Be as pedantic as you want, does not bother me, but going from your definition then it actually has 36 edges

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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 06:10:53 PM »



Be as pedantic as you want, does not bother me, but going from your definition then it actually has 36 edges


correct but, because an edge is a 2 d line on paper......the other "edge" would not be seen as it is immediately under the boundary line,unless in 3 d projection and then it transfers to a 3d face  edged by boundary lines........ but an edge, isn't a face or side.in fact you would also have to count the 13 edge lines between the 12 small facetted faces on the outer rim.


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 11:02:10 PM »

I blame the changes to building methods leading to a lack of rivets requiring counting  %)

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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 11:04:51 PM »


in fact you would also have to count the 13 edge lines between the 12 small facetted faces on the outer rim.



I think you'll find that there are 12 edge lines between the facets :)

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 11:25:59 PM »



I think you'll find that there are 12 edge lines between the facets :)


yep you are right........counted the start point twice lol............its my age, lol.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2017, 12:13:38 AM »

I understand even numbered faced coins are preferable over coins with uneven numbers of faces O0 ......all to do with the coin path in vending machines

At one stage Nutt & Muddle and Aristocrat [poker machine manufacturers  <*<] were having the coin path CNC cut from an exotic metal material, however this was prematurely wearing the coins

The latest material for these components is I believe a cast ceramic ......OK for me as I am not tempted to donate my coins to these evil machines.....

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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2017, 10:18:06 PM »

 
Found my first fake new pound coin today....

Should look like this - 
https://youtu.be/5sLhzorMQMc










 
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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2017, 11:28:24 PM »




Why do you think it is a forgery ?.
These pictures are one of mine, Can Guarantee it is Genuine.


Have put yours next to mine, I personally think your coin is fine..


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Re: speaking of money????
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2017, 01:31:25 AM »


I have had some where the Hologram is good, others not so good, I can see lettering inside the rims of your coin.  When you compare the pictures everything appears to be where it should be, I really doubt it is a forgery,  :-))


And no chance you have 3 forgeries. That Video was done in January, the coins only came out in March which means it had to be a sample coin, also I am not aware of any coins issued on the day that were 2017, all were 2016 I believe

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Re: Fake new 1 coins?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2017, 02:00:11 AM »


Re: Fake new 1 coins?

Just raided the good lady's purse..... needed a crow bar and plasters for the mouse trap, took these photos.  O0

The holograms are hard to see and on this coin you can clearly see the micro edge writing!


Also see
  - https://youtu.be/K6hOo4ZgTP8?t=58s




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