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vwlucas

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Restoration of an old pond yacht
« on: May 12, 2017, 06:59:36 AM »

Hello,


I have just purchased a pond yacht. I suppose she is English, hull in varnished mahogany, with bolds in Imperial (1/4, 7/16 etc)
The rigging (incomplete) looks like a bowl of spaghetti, one sail is missing (the jib sail or the main sail?)


I will start by cleaning the deck and the hull. Then I will take care of the rigging.
However, I ask already some questions:

The top of the mast has 4 corners, each with one hole, except one, who has 2 holes. Is it for the fore or after stay?

Look to this system: is it for the halyards or for the the shrouds?
Any others information are welcome, like origin, trade name etc.  ok2
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 07:39:40 AM »

Hullo and welcome Lucas.........

From the image, I believe the hull may be a 'bread & butter' form of construction however from a 'cedar' wood specie .....& the threaded rods of a 'Monel' metal [from the red brass/bronze family]

It would be interesting to see an elevation view of the hull....together with some reference to length [LOA] x width x height of the hull

This would assist in understanding a style of hull build & hence a time frame.....the two brass oval plates may have been intended for attachment of a keel

The aged mottling of the deck varnish suggests an aged item.......

My first guess  %) is home built around & around 1930.........however was never completed or sailed on waterx

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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 09:21:32 AM »

Hi VW...  is there any indication of either Braine or vane type guidance at the stern?  Do you have any other metal items that would have come from the deck?
Good idea from Derek a side view would help a lot.
The topmast 4 eyes would be used for the fore and aft stays and the 2 others are for the shrouds, giving sideways stability.
Halyards are used to haul items like the sails up the mast.  Can you show a long shot photo of the mast and the screw thread adjustments?
The 2 adjusting screws are interesting, the sails would usual be tied from their upper corner to a hook but this maybe an adjustment of some sort.

Do you have a keel and built in lead weight?
Does the mast rest on the deck?
If so you will need a support from the underside of the deck to the keel area.
All very interesting look forward to some more pictures.
regards Roy
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 11:42:25 AM »

On the mast top fitting the two hole side is probably for the back stay and main sail up-haul. The forestay and shrouds will only need one hole each. The jib up-haul will go to an eye on the front of the mast.
It looks like there is a rack for the base of the mast on deck so some support under the deck is needed. It is unclear if the front substantial cross brace across the hull is under the mast mount, if so it will provide support.
There doesn't appear to be any fittings on the deck for self steering gear, this would have been most likely Braine gear not vane if fitted. The deck fitting for the back stay looks to be at the rear of the deck, this would mean that a vane could not be fitted.
Without seeing the position of the metal screws on the mast it is not possible to decide what their use would be. If they are near the top of the mast they might be related to the shrouds however cord lines tended to have bowsies for adjustment. Fitted lower down the mast they may be for halyards.
You could try getting in touch with the Vintage Model Yacht Group http://www.vmyg.org.uk/index.htm as this sort of restoration is their speciality.

Jim
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 05:12:21 PM »

Hello everybody!


Sorry, I was so distract.
Lenght: 69.85 cm, 27" 1/2
Width: 12.70 cm, exactly 5"


(thanks for the link!)





The picture o Ebay.





Some pieces of the rudder, without 1mm of  :-) varnish, and a clean deck.




The half of the hull is clean...


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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 11:16:44 PM »

Hi I think I have heard of a French or continental class of yacht of 70 cms long.  Read about it somewhere.
Anyone else know?
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 06:57:54 AM »

Oulal! ok2
You request me to cross again the Channel.
I will ask the question on the Continent!
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 02:38:21 AM »

Has anyone noticed the dates on the pictures besides me? Some one must have a time machine. Perhaps the camera being used is confused. ok2
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2017, 10:16:19 AM »

English date format Boomer
11/12 May 2017. :-))


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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2017, 11:45:10 AM »

Hi all, I spoke to the master on the subject and he says 'No' to the 70 cm class there was a 80cm. class but this was a rule calculation result not a boat length.
Hope the build is proceeding well.
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Re: Restoration of an old pond yacht
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 06:40:34 PM »

Has anyone noticed the dates on the pictures besides me? Some one must have a time machine. Perhaps the camera being used is confused. ok2


Hihi, the camera is not confused, but just continental.
Read: day/month/year.


By the way, the works are progressing, with the calculation of the centre of lateral resistance and the centre of effort.








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