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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2017, 02:57:37 PM »

The Defence Sec and Ruski opportunity
are like a couple of kids in a p##sing contest.
Wait until Quackers arrives with his gusher >>:-(
Do we have to pay an idiot like Def Sec ?
He obviously has no thoughts for the Volunteer
Crew on this vessel.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2017, 03:07:43 PM »

. . . or does it have the Klingon invisibility cloak?
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No, it requires two Type 45 Destroyers to provide that protection
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2017, 03:39:40 PM »

Yes, one to provide the missile defence and the other to keep the lights on for the first one... %)

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2017, 03:52:50 PM »

The flight deck could provide overflow parking
for Navy Days {-)


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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2017, 04:37:41 PM »

Talk to any submariner and they'll tell you that there only two types of vessels: submarines and targets!

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2017, 07:08:20 PM »

Did anyone see the report earlier in the week that Russia is planning to build the worlds largest aircraft carrier, bigger even than the U.S Nimitz class carriers.

Now I see a problem with this not least that Russia has never built its own warships. No the problem is that they have always had them built at shipyards in the Ukraine, now after the last few years events in that country I think it highly unlikely that they will be building the carrier for Russia, then even more unlikely that it will ever be built {-)


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-shtorm-storm-aircraft-carrier-nimitz-2017-4
 

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2017, 08:39:20 PM »

And it isn't just the costs, its the infrastructure to build it in the first place and then support it. I assume that Russia has some large ship building capacity, but where, and is it large enough for this proposed giant?

It's just more sabre rattling like the neuclear torpedo.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 06:07:27 PM »

Portsmouth News are trumpeting a rumoured arrival date of Monday August 21st. Just for reference, high tide is 11:45 and is a 4.8m spring tide, while low water is 17:00 and is 0.7m. So let us go with a national news pleasing lunchtime arrival :-))

All still rumours at present though..
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 10:24:26 PM »

Please keep us posted.  I will be heading for Southsea when things are confirmed.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2017, 05:48:32 PM »

It makes me proud to see not just the Queen Elizabeth, but also two escort ships with her sailing. It is good to know that we can put a 'Carrier group' to sea. Maybe the Navy will build a couple more Type 23's to guarantee enough escorts, just in case  :-)
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2017, 08:16:31 PM »

It makes me proud to see not just the Queen Elizabeth, but also two escort ships with her sailing. It is good to know that we can put a 'Carrier group' to sea. Maybe the Navy will build a couple more Type 23's to guarantee enough escorts, just in case  :-)


I think they are going with RE-building the Type 23s instead...
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2017, 10:40:50 PM »

Your Mr Boris man has just spent a few days in OZ   :o :embarrassed: :P  talking about many things including the Chinese spy vessel in near waters

So being so bold Boris may recommend maybe after the QE sea trials are completed  <*< ......deploy her to the South China Sea for a reckie  :P
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2017, 08:41:35 AM »

Your Mr Boris man has just spent a few days in OZ   :o :embarrassed: :P  talking about many things including the Chinese spy vessel in near waters

So being so bold Boris may recommend maybe after the QE sea trials are completed  <*< ......deploy her to the South China Sea for a reckie  :P

M.o.D. have now decided on which aircraft will fly from QE until the F35B's are fit for service....    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUS5Ho5Msyc
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2017, 08:47:31 AM »



Ears to the ground sir...although all those ears are picking up is stories of delays, mechanical problems and build quality issues. The latest talks of paint falling off the ships sides due to poor quality control cleaning up weld lines. Now this could just be sour grapes from the local lads after all the major work was sent to Scotland, but when you hear it from so many sources, you do begin to wonder who is responsible for this stupidity!
Now that Bae Systems have snuffed out the residual skill sets that were inherited from Vospers and their work force, it seems we are having our multi-billion pound 'strategic assets' built by that welder from down the pub that can sort your car out. A bit strong, I know, but when well thought out defence planning and strategy is replaced with gold plated contracts, that serve only big business and industry. it makes me just that little bit >>:-( .....
Sorry about letting this fella  >>:-( out, but it is either him, or  <:( , and that is just depressing


I've just caught up with this thread and noticed the penultimate sentence. When did the UK Government and more particularly the MoD commence "well thought-out defence planning and strategy"? 
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2017, 09:44:35 AM »



I've just caught up with this thread and noticed the penultimate sentence. When did the UK Government and more particularly the MoD commence "well thought-out defence planning and strategy"? 
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The military guys have - its the civil service guys who are incompetent and have ignored the military guys.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2017, 09:51:35 AM »

Love it kinmel   {-)..is it a Fairy Swordfish?  I am not sure what the Pilot is saluting?.......:P................... Derek
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2017, 10:00:06 AM »


I don't think the pilot is saluting; there appears to be two people aft of him with one of them peering into the distance.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2017, 10:05:35 AM »

But it's often the military guys who want to keep updating the specification to include the latest must haves - usually at huge expense which can't be afforded. Being at the leading edge (such as the JSF) means that you hit all the obstacles. We might have been better off fitting out the carriers to operate the US F18 Super Hornets and phase them out later on in favour of the JSF catapult version if and when its faults have been ironed out.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2017, 01:14:37 PM »

But it's often the military guys who want to keep updating the specification to include the latest must haves - usually at huge expense which can't be afforded. Being at the leading edge (such as the JSF) means that you hit all the obstacles. We might have been better off fitting out the carriers to operate the US F18 Super Hornets and phase them out later on in favour of the JSF catapult version if and when its faults have been ironed out.

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But we don't have enough room to add boilers for the catapults.

We could have kept the Harriers until a viable option turned up.   The U.S. Marines are still flying the airframes we threw out.

It is probably better to have them sailing round empty; at least then losses would not be as great when it sinks on first contact with an enemy. It may be ok if the "fleet" with type 45s stays out of warm waters, but can you reach China and Australia without passing through the tropics?
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2017, 01:44:42 PM »

I think the idea was to use the new electromagnetic catapults but I did see a report that they are proving so violent that they are stressing the airframes - not good if the cockpit goes one way and the rest of the plane the other, not to mention the pilot's eyeballs emerging from his ears...

The US Navy have had several rather public failures with its new ships recently such as the Littoral Combat Ships and the USS Zumwalt which has proved to be too expensive.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2017, 01:52:03 PM »

From someone who has bit of knowledge about the F-35... %)


Everyone says that the aircraft will take years to sort out problems when it's in service and that the program is years behind schedule. I shall explain what I know is true...
The aircraft should be all singing and dancing when it enters service able to do everything that it was designed to do. This is due to the other primary partner, BAe Systems, learning from its own mistakes with the development of the Typhoon. They are the manufacturer who produces the avionics and the rear fuselage/tail section for Lockheed Martin. When Typhoon entered service just over ten years ago it was a fantastic display aircraft but it couldn't fire the weapons that a Tornado could i.e. Storm Shadow and Brimstone. It has taken ten years to retro fit the system so it can! The F-35 is going to have these capabilities too but the RAF and RN say that they are not prepared to wait another ten years to have the system retro fitted to a brand new aircraft and rightly so. The Americans are interested in buying Brimstone from us and common sense has prevailed in not allowing the B-variant to be mass produced until it is fitted. Also in the past the big American aircraft companies have rushed aircraft into service and taken up to ten years to get the aircraft to work safely and properly.
So in the long run it may seem that the program is years behind schedule but is actually the first one ever to be on time to allow a fully functional stealth fighter/bomber to work first time without the need for the RAF/RN to buy in three years time the next updated variant and so on until they get what they want!


Strangely the F-18 is not available as such anymore! I went on exercise last year flying with the (I think) Canadian F18 Hornets and they spent more time on the ground then we did! Apparently they stopped making parts for them! :o
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2017, 01:55:42 PM »

Thanks for that Nick, interesting.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2017, 07:35:08 PM »

Given the fact that the RN/RAF is committed to operating the F35b  version of the F35 program  on the QE . What is perhaps less well known is the circumstances  as to   how we arrived at  such a controversial aeroplane .  It is true in part that  a number of features of the F35b can be attributed to the  Soviet Yak 141 as Lockheed paid  Yakablev back in 1992 $383m   for the two remaining prototypes.   It's generally accepted  that  certain  technical details ,     particularly  those relating to  the lift fan arrangement  sited just to the rear of the cockpit which  was also a part of  the  earlier  Yak 38 and   is a definitive feature of the F35B.    A  fixed lift system similar to that on the 141 and the F35B was used   on a  French  Mirage 111V    a supposedly   Mach 2  VTOL fighter  but the project was cancelled in the mid 1960s . The real twist to this controversial saga in the early 1960s  Hawker aviation  had developed a mach 1.2 VTOL fighter the P1154  but that was cancelled when much of the airframe had been completed but prior to flight testing .   The first Yak 141  was lost aboard the  Admiral Gorshkov  whilst undertaking   VTOL deck landings.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2017, 10:26:51 PM »


Defence Secretary has announced today (Tuesday) that HMS Queen Elizabeth will be arriving at Portsmouth in the next few weeks, putting an end to rumours


The ship is visiting Scapa flow on Wednesday, arrival time estimate 0730


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