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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #75 on: October 22, 2017, 07:33:56 PM »

Nick,

Really sorry to hear about that. Us oldsters sort of half expect to be ambushed by nasties but not at your age. I really hope you make a quick recovery.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2017, 07:48:39 PM »

Thanks Ian, Colin,


I was just so surprised to see how quickly I deteriorated in the space of an hour, and watching blisters forming on my finger tips (whilst fascinating) was worrying! The weird thing is that I felt brilliant all the time until that first shiver at 8pm on the Wednesday night.
Everything is clearing up remarkably quickly and the contagious stage with the blisters has long gone- thankfully.


WRT HMS Scorpion Iím not sure what scale yet, love to match the Fleet Iíve got building, access has to play a part... Iíve still got to find plans yet... some good GA in Norman Friedmanís book British Destroyers but no body sections.
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« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2017, 08:46:47 PM »

Nick, what are you doing going sick on R&R, as an NCO you should know better!  :}  I'll let you off this time, don't let it happen again.  :police:


Oh, and get well soon.  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2017, 08:50:49 PM »

Donít worry when Iím fully recovered Iíll have a good word with myself! :-))
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2017, 10:59:23 AM »

As promised some photos.


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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2017, 11:07:09 AM »

Looking good - where did you get the pointy nosed props from!

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2017, 11:27:07 AM »

Thanks Geoff, I want a complete hull ready for Warwick, sheíll be sitting alongside Dreadnought as a comparison.


The props are from Raboesch which I bought from Ron Dean. Lovely items at a reasonable price, would love bronze but would add up considerably.
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« Reply #82 on: October 23, 2017, 11:37:28 AM »

Lovely job Nick, as always.  Looks like very similar Raboesch props I recently got from Ron Dean.

Get well soon  :-))
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2017, 11:40:44 AM »

Thanks Bob


Theyíre probably the same ones! Have you noticed how sharp they are! :}  Be careful of your fingers!
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« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2017, 11:50:17 AM »

Yes, Ron did advise me to keep my fingers well clear when starting the Buhler's  %%
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2017, 10:03:26 AM »

Hmmm it sounds like a classic case of Wicksteed Park Spotted Fever Nick - highly contagious in enthusiastic model boaters! The initial phase is followed by prolonged episodes of compulsive scratch-building with intermittent bacon sandwich cravings  - We might have an outbreak on our hands...  %%


Glad to hear that you're getting better! Great progress on the Invincible! 






 
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2017, 10:41:18 AM »

Thanks James
Just love the humour  :-))
I wonít repeat the ones said to me by my work mates!


Iím currently finishing off the forward superstructure in preparation for Warwick. Pictures to come soon.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2017, 01:56:02 PM »

Do you have an order code for the props as I looked on various sites and couldn't find the long nosed ones?


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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2017, 03:09:53 PM »

Hi Geoff


When I get home tomorrow evening Iíll get the information for you, Iíve still got the packaging.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2017, 04:52:44 PM »

Never said by a truer modeller Nick! Only true modellers keep all their packaging just in case  :} We keep the boxes because, well they are boxes 'nuff said' as the yoot of today say, and the rest is useful for making the bench look busy as well as filing information horizontally under tools, materials and bits of old cake that might come in handy when peckish.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2017, 02:18:26 PM »

Hi Geoff


Iíve found the packaging! The information for the props are as follows:


Raboesch brass propeller 162-15   D-35-R-3bl-M4
                                     162-16   D-35-L-3bl-M4


On the Deans Marine website they are in section called Destroyer.


Hi Ian


Iíve got stuff from 12 years ago in a drawer just incase! You just never know!
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2017, 10:18:31 AM »

Hi everyone


Some work being carried out on the superstructures. The bases are all 2mm plasticard whilst the decks are 1mm. The plating is 0.15mm thick plasticard sheet and the casement guns are from a plastic light fitting which amazingly are the right diameter. Iíve only got one picture of the superstructure from the 1914-15 era and it shows some differences between the official drawings and reality. Iíve made the bridge deck supports from 1mm dia brass rod soldered together (not easy to hold together when itís that small) and itís scary how little held this deck to the ship!


The only picture I have of the forward superstructure from 1914-15.
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The build so far.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2017, 01:52:58 PM »

Nice detailing Nick.  Looks impressive  :-))

I will be taking note of your superstructure materials and thicknesses, being in need of keeping the weight down on my project.  Thank you.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2017, 09:51:07 PM »

Plastic is surprisingly heavy especially when you start using the 1.5-2mm sheet.

Looking good Nick.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #94 on: November 01, 2017, 08:48:14 AM »

In my experience, whilst for most models keeping superstructure weight down is important for battleship models its largely irrelevant given their size. Once ballasted an extra pound in weight will increase immersion by about 1mm!

The draft on the real ships would vary by up to 24" dependant on their coal supply etc.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2017, 09:18:52 AM »

About 1/4 inch (6.3mm) in 1:96th scale.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2017, 10:14:01 PM »

Hi everyone


Iíve just found an interesting picture of Invincible supposedly not long after the Battle of the Falkland Islands. The issue is the Q turret barbette ring. All the plans I have show the barbette armour extends to the turret ring but this clearly shows a section missing. See what you think...


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« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2017, 10:47:52 PM »

Those definitly look like mounting bolts and conform to the area the armour would sit in.

According to what I have read, both Battlecruisers recieved numerous hits though with no details as to where these fell.

I can only speculate that a hit in the right place at the right time damaged or unseated the armour plate such that it needed removing for repair or replacement. A glancing shot at the end of the armour plate finding the point between plate and shell plating may well have sheared enough bolts to do this.

If there is a damage report available for the action then this may well specify damage done and remedial action.
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2017, 08:57:08 AM »

What an interesting picture - where did you find it?

In hindsight I don't think this is Invincible but an Indefatigable class as:

1) The tripod legs are aft facing whereas in Invincible they are forward facing
2) In invincible the aft funnel is very close to the aft tripod

It looks like armour bolts are shown but these would not be visible from the outside and the barbette still seems very circular. Very few fittings were ever fitted to armour as it was both hard and weakened the armour.

Quite what this picture shows is uncertain but I'm positive its an Indefatigable class Battlecruisers.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2017, 09:05:40 AM »

Could be false news but same image reported as -  British Battle Cruiser HMS New Zealand

http://www.britishbattles.com/battle-of-jutland-part-v-annexe/

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