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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2017, 08:48:47 PM »

Found this video of Kerne's steam engine similar in size to a TID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG1GEFq5xro

Thats a real steam tug, i love it O0
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2017, 09:48:06 PM »

Great clip zooma - but you should understand that my unit 'synthesizes' engine sounds and doesn't play recordings of the real thing and that this hardware is quite unsuited to making anything but the chuffing type of sound in 'steam' mode. Sorry!

Again, as you've experimented with MK2 Combo units you will have seen that engine authenticity is similarly limited in the synthesized 'petrol' and 'diesel' sounds - but, unlike the 'steam' you clearly found these acceptable for your purposes. Think of it this way - in much the same way that a cartoon of the Prime Minister is recognisable as the Prime Minister, it is not as realistic as a photograph of the Prime Minister. However, one needs to pay considerably more to get 'real' sound, To be thoroughly pedantic I would suggest that even these units, whilst a huge improvement, aren't realistic. They work by looping a fixed audio sample of the engine at a throttle dependent playback speed - with the result that as the speed of the sound changes, so does the pitch - UK readers of a certain age will know what I mean if I dub it the Pinky & Perky effect. Over a narrow rev range some engine sounds are fairly amenable to this technique whereas many others can sound ridiculous. If you check out my website you will see I've been experimenting with such systems so I'm speaking from practical experience rather than expressing an opinion.

And what about the change of timbre and/or volume when an engine is put under load during acceleration? And what about . . . . . . . . where do we stop?

My message is that we need to find a compromise where our pockets and our expectations meet.
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2017, 10:55:21 AM »

Great clip zooma - but you should understand that my unit 'synthesizes' engine sounds and doesn't play recordings of the real thing and that this hardware is quite unsuited to making anything but the chuffing type of sound in 'steam' mode. Sorry!

Again, as you've experimented with MK2 Combo units you will have seen that engine authenticity is similarly limited in the synthesized 'petrol' and 'diesel' sounds - but, unlike the 'steam' you clearly found these acceptable for your purposes. Think of it this way - in much the same way that a cartoon of the Prime Minister is recognisable as the Prime Minister, it is not as realistic as a photograph of the Prime Minister. However, one needs to pay considerably more to get 'real' sound, To be thoroughly pedantic I would suggest that even these units, whilst a huge improvement, aren't realistic. They work by looping a fixed audio sample of the engine at a throttle dependent playback speed - with the result that as the speed of the sound changes, so does the pitch - UK readers of a certain age will know what I mean if I dub it the Pinky & Perky effect. Over a narrow rev range some engine sounds are fairly amenable to this technique whereas many others can sound ridiculous. If you check out my website you will see I've been experimenting with such systems so I'm speaking from practical experience rather than expressing an opinion.

And what about the change of timbre and/or volume when an engine is put under load during acceleration? And what about . . . . . . . . where do we stop?

My message is that we need to find a compromise where our pockets and our expectations meet.
 


Hi Alan,

Thanks for taking the time to reply with such detail.
I fully understand your reasoning and appreciate what you have already achieved .
Having said that, it would be superb if you were able to come up with a more convincing "steam" sound that those of us that sail models of steam powered originals (mostly tugs from what I have seen) could use and enjoy.
We are already "spoilt" with your range of adjustable sounds for petrol and diesel engines and just hope that you may be able to do something similar for us with a steam sound in the future.
Many thanks for your efforts to date - much appreciated  :-))
Bob.
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2017, 10:27:46 AM »

Alan,

Any chance of a sound bite of the diesel engine?

Hi Tiny

Only graphics attachments are possible on here it seems, so on my website I've added some sound bytes for you to try.

http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/index.php/boats/combo-mk3

I've made one example of each of the eight 'petrol'/'diesel' sounds plus the unpopular 'steam' - remember that the tickover and top speed can be set to suit your preferences and that for each voice there are four more cylinder count variants to try. If you are listening on a laptop, tablet or even worse a smartphone, expect to be disappointed as the punchy bass of a decent size speaker is required - unbelievably 'tinny' otherwise.

Best regards

Alan
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2017, 02:49:45 AM »

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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2017, 12:46:57 AM »

I like harbor models sound bites, very realistic (as long as revs not too fast). Good company to deal with:


http://www.harbormodels.com/sounds.html


Might be a bit expensive, but you do get control of idle and top end rpm sounds
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2017, 01:52:21 AM »

 O0....their HAR605 and HAR606 sound pretty good  :-)) ... [& yes expensive too :-X] .........

Reading their text suggests the 'control of idle and top end rpm sounds'....however a quick e-mail would be advisable

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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2017, 05:20:01 PM »

After more research & talking to people, i've decided i'm going with the Beier Sound module USM-RC-2, lots of functions & highly customizable.. able to play upto 4 sounds simultaneously.


It's not the cheapest on the market but as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for!


https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php?sprache=gb


just a couple of sound clips from one of the presets it comes with for my TID tug..


https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/service/soundbeispiele/Schiff%20-%20Binnenschiff.mp3

https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/service/soundbeispiele/Schiff%20-%20Dampfschiff.mp3

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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2017, 08:30:55 AM »

Good choice.

they are expensive but if you mount them on a board and put plugs on the terminals, it east to swap between models. done that one mine.

Not sure if you know, but you can also wire the lights up to it and control them as well. they are not easy to program at first but soon get the hand off. If you have any issues setting them up. I can help out

Cheers
Tim
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Re: Steam sound for a TID tug.
« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2017, 12:36:37 PM »

Good choice.

they are expensive but if you mount them on a board and put plugs on the terminals, it east to swap between models. done that one mine.

Not sure if you know, but you can also wire the lights up to it and control them as well. they are not easy to program at first but soon get the hand off. If you have any issues setting them up. I can help out

Cheers
Tim


great stuff thanks :)
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