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Re: A Greek BIREME
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2017, 12:22:16 pm »

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« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2017, 10:33:01 am »

Goodness me    :}   have I started a craze.

I've been quietly planking away a bit at a time.  I thought I would try clamping each piece of timber to prevent any holes in the planks. It seems to work as there is not a lot of tension in the straight runs.

When sanded, it should look quite smooth.  I am undecided as to how  the final finish will be. I didn't really want to paint it, so stain and polish might be the answer.

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Re: A Greek BIREME
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2017, 09:59:09 pm »

Perhaps a little painted pattern on a white stripe along the gunwales and stern with the rest in a stained or varnished finish. Less is more as they say.

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« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2017, 10:20:20 pm »

I think there is a strong possibility that the hull might well have been black from pitch used to waterproof it. This could have been embellished with coloured decoration. It's an interesting topic.

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Re: A Greek BIREME
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2017, 10:31:04 pm »

That's good news that it might be covered as I had to resort to a few pins in the most awkward sections.  (with subsequent holes on removal). These are going to require filling and sanding and will now require covering.

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« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2017, 11:56:32 pm »

Once the glue's dry, try a little water (on a q-tip) on the holes. You might find that that's enough to re-swell the crushed fibres where the pin holes are.


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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2017, 09:39:09 am »


What a great idea Andy.   :-))    That's what this forum is all about.  Thank you very much, it might work as it's in the awkward areas anyway. I was thinking of a 'darkish' wood stain to make it look natural and then some waterproofing.

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Re: A Greek BIREME
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2017, 12:09:16 pm »


Hot water is better O0 O0 O0
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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2017, 06:21:55 pm »


Thanks guys.   :-))

Here's what I've got to work with.  A bit lumpy but nothing a little sanding won't help.

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Re: A Greek BIREME
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2017, 08:50:39 pm »

The sanding might also help remove some of the pin holes along with the water idea.

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« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2017, 09:07:56 pm »

It's all sanded nice and smooth and various spots filled with the  'ol'  P38 filler.

Now that the wood surface is blotchy we have to go the paint route.  I have started with the red oxide but the tin ran out.  I then mixed up some epoxy and ran it around the total inside area and it's come out nice and clear.  At least I know it will be waterproof.

I shall probably be going the Black colour for the outside surface to make it look like Tar.

Here's where we're at.   ( No, that's not the mast     ok2  )


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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2017, 09:51:45 pm »


Thanks Ian,  I'll look into the brown shades.  It looks like darker brown is the way to go.

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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2017, 09:54:45 pm »

It gives you more wriggle room for weathering and painting over if you go down the white stripe route.
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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2017, 11:10:51 pm »

I hadn't realised Ken, but this could be a very first well documented usage of the Ram, or Armoured Ram Bow?.....

Will you be using a brass foiled or brass metal painted Ram Bow?....

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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2017, 08:54:15 am »

I used a lot of brass in remodelling the ram bow on my HMS Polyphemus, which means if I hit another boat with this 9kg model I would probably sink it.  Always a worry sailing this on crowded lakes as it's turning circle and stopping distance are too close to "sale" for comfort.
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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2017, 09:32:14 am »

Yes, you are correct Derek.  It will have a cap fitted, but not sure of it's construction yet.  The structure is very sturdy so bashing into dock wall will be no bother.     %)

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« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2017, 04:14:29 pm »


Today I have fitted extra strengthening plates to allow for the pivoting tensions on the oars.  These will be drilled out to accept the oars,  which have been stained a dark wood colour.

The top deck has been cut to size but not secured yet.

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« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2017, 03:17:04 pm »


The holes have been drilled for the oars

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« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2017, 03:20:43 pm »

There is a Vacancy for 60 oarsmen.       :}    :}

On with the build and I've made the top floor to go around the top edge.  The thought did occur to me that  'should the oars be removable for transport'  as it's rather a Wide model.   %)






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« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2017, 07:52:51 pm »

"Should the oars be removeable for transport?"

The cautious side of me suggests yes, perhaps with a push fit into a silicon tube or something like that. It would make replacment easier if one got broke in general use.
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« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2017, 08:15:03 pm »

Going to be a hassle if you have to refit all the oars every time you launch the model and there is a good chance that some might fall off when the model in working unless you have some form of locking mechanism for each one. Plus the oars must be a tight enough fit not to rotate in their sockets.

Maybe this is not going to be a very practical model..... A lot of rowlocks.....?

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« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2017, 08:59:08 pm »


dreams never come true, unless you work on them, and have positive thoughts.


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« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2017, 09:01:04 pm »


The thought did occur to me that  'should the oars be removable for transport'  as it's rather a Wide model.   %)


just make a wide carrying box Ken.


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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2017, 10:11:42 am »


A square peg in a round hole.  They are already turning around by themselves.

It does look like the way forward is to secure them in position.  Thanks for the observations fellas.   :-))

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