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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #100 on: July 04, 2017, 01:35:20 PM »


..................................... There is an opportunity for a company to offer easy transfer of pictures stored on Photobucket to a new free service.


How would that "easy transfer" work? If it would work then all Forums could "transfer" their missing images.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #101 on: July 04, 2017, 01:41:01 PM »


How would that "easy transfer" work? If it would work then all Forums could "transfer" their missing images.

You would set up an automated process that allowed a user to supply a site with their username and password, set it off, and all the photos would be transfered from Photobucket to the new photo storing service.

I suspect it wouldn't be difficult to develop and if your business model is to provide a free service to people who have shown they won't pay for anything, the cost of this wouldn't be an issue.

Links to forums would be different, the users would have to do those manually.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2017, 01:43:53 PM »


Why are you convinced that SmugMug won't do exactly what Photobucket have done - particularly if they suddenly get an enormous number of forum photos which are accessed frequently?


Because that is what they are in the business of doing and why I pay
There are around 10 thousand pictures of mine being accessed all the time
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2017, 01:48:51 PM »

For this kind of D.O.S. (denial of service) attack I would have expected payment in Bitcoin ?
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2017, 02:52:01 PM »




Because that is what they are in the business of doing and why I pay
There are around 10 thousand pictures of mine being accessed all the time


Um. From the point of view of the forum are the images only secure as long as you keep paying? If you stop, for whatever reason, does that mean that all your forum posts loose their images? Does that also mean that you can delete your images from both your image holder & thus the forum at any time?


If so I don't think that this is the answer.


This is most definitely not a dig at you personally but rather using "you" generically for anyone who hosts their images elsewhere.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2017, 03:10:05 PM »

Yes if I stop paying they will disappear after a period.
I can't edit posts but I can disable pictures directly or make a gallery private.
I can at any time select download and they will prepare a file quite quickly with all my images


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I should add that I've used it for well over 10 yrs
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2017, 03:16:06 PM »

SmugMug looks a very professional site with a neat interface to share images...

I am sure SmugMug is a reliable and reputable company and realise if they change their business model it would most likely have a direct impact on subscription income.

They offer to store images that can then be viewed directly on their site - that I believe is what you pay for.

I could not find references to 3rd party sharing on any of their main pages - could have just missed it...

They do provide a very easy way to obtain the links to your images

In their T&C they refer to "hyperlinks" e.g. linking your images to to other sites - one of the T&C that applies - "This limited right may be revoked by SmugMug"

Whilst I can't imagine they wouldn't be foolish enough to do this they have the provision to stop sharing links with other websites - it's not your right as part of your subscription.

So my point is - go into this with yours eyes open as months down the road when you have links on forums to SmugMug image storage you could (however unlikely) find yourself in the same position as with the PhotoBucket mess. - My interpretation is you don't expressly pay for image sharing on other sites with SmugMug - it's just something they allow currently.

I imagine if you read the small print on most providers of this type of service they all have similar clauses - even if just added a few days ago :)

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2017, 03:41:10 PM »

 :-)) 
They would not provide links to embed your photos on other sites if they did not want you to.
When I select share all it wants to know is how big do you want it sir
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2017, 03:50:16 PM »


I guess that it all depends on from whose perspective you are looking at this.


The individual sees a hosting service that they pay for which looks after their images and allows easy linking to forums etc for as long as SmugMug allows it and they want the image to be publically available.


The forum gets images for as long as the individual pays for the service and wants the forum to get the images and for as long as SmugMug doesn't decide to follow the lead of Photobucket - which they may or may not do at their discretion.


To safeguard the forum I still think that direct posting is the only answer.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #109 on: July 04, 2017, 04:03:42 PM »

I agree and that is why MotorhomeFun is so successful
From memory I think I can add about 9mb of pictures to each post on Fun and the forum stores them
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #110 on: July 04, 2017, 04:22:14 PM »

T33cno

You seem to miss the point - they could stop it as per their T&C's and you could do nothing about it - it's not your right.

Clearly to be a successful images site they need to provide an easy way to share images which is what they do hence they provide an easy way to do it - and let's hope they never change that.

But you can't avoid the fact as per their T&C's they could stop it tomorrow however mad that decision maybe which is simply my point - "caveat emptor"!

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2017, 04:43:11 PM »

They have no reason to and they DO charge for it
As it says included in all plans and there isn't a free plan
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #112 on: July 04, 2017, 05:02:34 PM »


NB: I did approach SmugMug about hosting photos for a Forum and how it could be implemented ..... they don't have a ready to solution.....   {:-{
 

     "I am not sure if that's something that can be done. If it is, you can find out here:
      https://dgrin.com/categories/smugmug-api-support-integrations
     We give out API keys, and allow you to build your own apps, and other types of scripts to do what you're looking to do."
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2017, 05:31:20 PM »

It's not insane at all ... If you have a problem with someone trying to make money ...


$399 a year? For every user? I have no problem with a realistic business model, but that is just crazy.


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2017, 05:44:08 PM »

Photos are best kept in an album
Not a bucket  :D :D :D


Couldn't resist it 8)


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2017, 05:51:23 PM »

We've got, what, about 500,000 posts on the forum?


The allowed attachments limit is 3000KB per post.


Luckily for Martin, most posts are image-free, or use(d) 3rd party linking - out of interest what size is the forum, Martin? Is there a possibility for image hosting without zooming through terabyte amounts of server space?


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #116 on: July 04, 2017, 06:14:19 PM »


We've got, what, about 500,000 posts on the forum?


The allowed attachments limit is 3000KB per post.


Luckily for Martin, most posts are image-free, or use(d) 3rd party linking - out of interest what size is the forum, Martin? Is there a possibility for image hosting without zooming through terabyte amounts of server space?


Andy


Which is 1500kb more than required really..

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #117 on: July 04, 2017, 06:14:49 PM »

Photos are best kept in an album
Not a bucket  :D :D :D


Couldn't resist it 8)


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Over 10 yrs of my life won't fit in an album  {-) and my pictures will still be there until my dying breath. The rest can kick the BUCKET now  ;D

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #118 on: July 04, 2017, 06:17:35 PM »

Nice one Andy :-))
Does the bike have a lipo? :}


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #119 on: July 04, 2017, 06:18:20 PM »

Nice one Andy :-))
Does the bike have a lipo? :}


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #120 on: July 04, 2017, 06:21:18 PM »

Hope the balance plug fits ok O0
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #121 on: July 04, 2017, 06:58:15 PM »

Storage costs money so either everyone buys their own like me or everyone should pay 15 a year forum membership. I know that will go down well  {-)
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« Reply #122 on: July 04, 2017, 07:00:57 PM »

Interesting business plan:   According to Wikipedia Photobucket has one hundred million registered users, who upload four million photos and videos every day.  If, for arguments sake, we assume that virtually all of them link at least some of their images on forums and blogs etc, then this is the target user base they want to make lots of lovely money from.

If everyone in the current registered user base felt obliged to cough up virtually four hundred Dollars a year then in just their next trading year Photobucket would reap in a sum equivalent to half the nett worth of Bill Gates, according to Forbes.

In five, or even ten, years they could not only buy out and close every other image hosting web site, and probably still have enough to buy a small country.   President Trump would have enough extra in taxes to never again worry about his national budget.

10,000,000 registered users x 400.00   Forty Billion Dollars.  Total outgoings, just a quick edit of their terms and conditions, say ten Bucks.   
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #123 on: July 04, 2017, 07:07:38 PM »

Price point will cause mass desertion.
Personally I'm blessed with an iPhone 7 plus with plenty of memory and fairly sure I could download all my photos from smug mug directly for re distribution.
I realise that won't restore all my forum posts BUT I won't be blackmailed which is what Photobuckshit are effectively doing



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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #124 on: July 04, 2017, 08:49:20 PM »


saw this on wiki


This new business model has caused thousands of forum DIY's and write-ups with explanatory pictures to be rendered useless. Photobucket has not had any new accounts created on their site since this new change took place.


That's a surprise !!
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