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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #125 on: July 04, 2017, 08:55:11 PM »

Earlier it was mentioned that there is no such thing as a free lunch.  To go with that is the saw that "If you are not paying for a product, you ARE the product." 
If Photobucket have discovered that hosting free photos for other websites is costing them money, they will look to reshape their operation.  Which they have done.
On other threads keeping your own backup has been thoroughly discussed, and my thinking is totally with the school that says that entrusting somebody else, whether paying them or not, to look after your data is just asking for trouble.  It matters not a scrap how solid or watertight a contract is, if the company goes out, its stored data goes with it.  Or if a government agency says that the company has been upsetting that government, all of the data stored can be impounded.  There was a lot of legal and legitimate data stored by honest people hoovered up when "they" went after Kim Dotcom a very few years ago.

One thing is fairly certain, Photobucket, by the way that they have implemented the change, will probably never be trusted again, whether for a fully paid for service or not.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #126 on: July 04, 2017, 09:07:42 PM »

Good points
For my view SmugMug are a family business started in 2002 and always charged.
So they have a sustainable business model evident by 15yrs of service of which I've benefitted for more than 10

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #127 on: July 04, 2017, 09:17:58 PM »


Good points
For my view SmugMug are a family business started in 2002 and always charged.
So they have a sustainable business model evident by 15yrs of service of which I've benefitted for more than 10


are you a share holder.............you certainly are plugging it as an alternative to photobucket. {-) {-) {-)
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #128 on: July 04, 2017, 09:20:17 PM »

Compare the price structure and make your own judgment

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #129 on: July 04, 2017, 09:22:32 PM »

Actually if you quote my email address when subscribing I think we both get rewarded :-))
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #130 on: July 04, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »


Thank you for the invite, but the few photos I take these days are still on proper film, not digital, and store the negs in a labelled file. :embarrassed: O0


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #131 on: July 04, 2017, 09:31:37 PM »

That's good and thus the whole issue is not of concern to yourself  {-) 
Only other peoples lost shared pictures will have an impact when you're trying to follow a thread with missing images
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #132 on: July 04, 2017, 09:33:02 PM »


I wonder  if Photobucket need to raise some revenue, fast, real fast?

If so 1% of "100 million registered members" x $399 = £WadsofCash!
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #133 on: July 04, 2017, 09:40:53 PM »


That's good and thus the whole issue is not of concern to yourself  {-) 


it certainly isn't...far too technical for me.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #134 on: July 04, 2017, 09:50:42 PM »

Here's one just for you Jim
Hopefully I can keep it there for another ten years at least  :-)
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #135 on: July 04, 2017, 09:54:08 PM »


thank you.........is  that the Humber bridge........magnificent construction, as is the Firth of Forth bridge too.


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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #136 on: July 04, 2017, 09:55:47 PM »

thank you.........is  that the Humber bridge........magnificent construction, as is the Firth of Forth bridge too.


Jim.


Yes and there's more here
https://techno.smugmug.com/Big-Structures/Humber-Bridge/
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #137 on: July 04, 2017, 09:59:09 PM »

This one Jim?
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #138 on: July 05, 2017, 07:30:00 AM »



I wonder  if Photobucket need to raise some revenue, fast, real fast?

If so 1% of "100 million registered members" x $399 = £WadsofCash!



Do you think that as many as 1% of private people who link to forums etc will pay $399 per year to have their photos stored & keep their links alive? The price seems nearer to wanting rid of them altogether but if they are willing to pay then.................... I would also observe that there is no guarantee that this price will remain the price for any length of time.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #139 on: July 05, 2017, 07:33:05 AM »

Consider this.

What is to stop someone ( photobucket or whoever) coming along and buying out smugsy for some ridiculous amount that smugsy couldn't refuse.

Your contract is null and void you have lost control etc etc, photobucket all over again.

Bottom line never  say never.

Remember WIN10 and all the howls, they can't do that, they will lose business etc etc.

It's done the lesson to be learnt is if you host anything (include spacebook) be prepared for the fall.

This thread must be costing Martin a mint with no tangible solutions except posting direct to the thread.

There are numerous threads that need to be binned because of people who used hosted images.

What a waste of time and resources, not to mention the effort trying to clean it all up.

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #140 on: July 05, 2017, 07:36:55 AM »

My glass is half full
Very many people have benefitted from informative pictures I've posted across many forums and they are all still there. Even if the worst should happen it does not undo that it just ends.
The fact is that there is as much likely hood of a forum going out of business
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #141 on: July 05, 2017, 07:39:36 AM »


RAAArtyGunner
I agree. The problem is that I have no idea whether direct posting only is a sustainable "business" model for Martin.


Something to consider might be to change the rules of the forum to give the forum the right to grab & store any images that are linked in topics. That way those who link do not need to resize etc which would need to be done automatically. Whether such a change could be either possible or retrospective I don't know & as I say I am not sure how this works as a "business" model.


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What you say is true but you can only ever reduce risk & never eliminate it. Photobucket have proven that images held at 3rd party sites are a risk that can be eliminated - but at what cost I don't know.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #142 on: July 05, 2017, 11:17:39 AM »


Morals of the story so far:

The Cloud, you get what you paid for   i.e. Nothing!
Always keep original anything when it come to the internet i.e. Photos! 
The internet is a very transient place, uncertain and not to be trusted!

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #143 on: July 05, 2017, 01:15:06 PM »

Gentlemen

I am new to this forum, only joined last night but already I am inconvenienced because of this Photobucket problem.

I joined because I happened across a DelftShip Tutorial and when I read it I felt immediately at home because of the way it was presented.

I am a retired Master Boatbuilder and Small Ship Surveyor who is somewhat familiar with CAD programs and I also use Linux on some of my computers ( specifically PCLinuxOS).

Your Forum is very similar to our PCLinuxOS forum and we have a similar photo hosting program that, as far as I am aware, is not compromised.

If any admin fellows on your site would like to speak to admin on PCLOS  re their hosting program, then contact me and I will put you in touch.

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #144 on: July 05, 2017, 01:30:06 PM »




  Life can be very transient on the interwebby thing.  On another boat model forum some years back, which was a goldmine of information and tutorials with a very active and enthusiastic membership, they went for a total upgrade of their Forum server and software. After completing the upgrade and ensuring it was bug free they ditched the old and it's backups, at that point the new system crashed before they had the chance to back up the new. They lost the lot , by the time they got some semblance of service back with no content and all the years of valuable input post gone they had also lost most of the membership who had moved on.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #145 on: July 05, 2017, 01:42:34 PM »

Hello again.

I just checked the PCLinuxOS forum and I see that they prohibited/stopped the use of Photobucket quite a few years ago.

The Admin fellows that run the forum are all very experienced IT Professionals (perhaps retired) and they really know all about computing etc etc.  and they are not having problems with image hosting. :-))
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« Reply #146 on: July 05, 2017, 01:54:56 PM »


On another boat model forum some years back...

NRG's Model Ship World?

It's looking ok again now - there are some awesome 'trad wooden model' builds on there - but the loss was something else.

"Tweak carefully" are my web-working-watchwords. :-))

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #147 on: July 05, 2017, 02:21:59 PM »

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"Tweak carefully" are my web-working-watchwords.

A wise comment Sir.

I have found that as i get older, that photos (images) become more valuable, therefore they (and all Data) need to be stored on your own external HDD (or (SDD) and you only upload to an image hosting program as required. You then have the security of knowing that your information is safe.

I think this is what you are getting at and I would add that (in my experience) chaps who are expert in one field are not always expert in another (sometimes essential field) thus it is very important in these days of computers/cloud storage WHY to know what you are talking about and how to safeguard your own interests and data.
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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #148 on: July 05, 2017, 02:38:20 PM »

Gentlemen

If any admin fellows on your site would like to speak to admin on PCLOS  re their hosting program, then contact me and I will put you in touch.

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Sid

Hi Sid,   Welcome to the Mayhem!

This'll be me then  :-)

Hosting is not the issue here ( well it usually is, but not in this case! ), so...

1. Do we wait and see if Photobucket will flinch first?
2. Set up an 'in-house solution'? ( I hate that term )
3. Something else?

 Sid, what have PCLOS   opted for?

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Re: Photobucket - your photos held to ransom
« Reply #149 on: July 05, 2017, 03:22:14 PM »

Hello Martin

I thought you would soon spot this thread!

I am not sure precisely which program they use, so I have sent a PM to one of the Administrators asking the question and also asking if he would be able to contact you directly as I am sure that would be extremely helpful to you.
There will be a time delay as they are all in the USA but I know he will get back to ma ASAP.

Best Regards

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