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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #125 on: November 06, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »

Thank you very much Mike.  :-)) :-)) :-))

I glued in the last block between the frames.



Now I can lift the hull from the plank and turn it aroud.
I have to do some corrections on some frames .... I will glue some 1.5mm plywood on it.
The frames with the blue marking need some refit.







My finger shows the place where the hull need up to 8mm more wood .... it looks very strange at the moment with two big dents left and right.



Weight is still under 5kg



I like the overall look of the hull .... after I have made the corrections it will be perfect.



I started with sanding down the stern and bow with my trusty Bosch VibraSander ... its so heavy I cant work more than a couple of minutes with it.

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #126 on: November 06, 2017, 11:08:46 PM »

Gorgeous craftsmanship Danielle. Those cant frames make this hull something else  :-)) As per usual all your hard work will be covered with planking, but at least it will be like the real thing.

That sander is a beast isn't it! I am sure I have seen similar tools in workshops mounted on bungees that support them and allow movement.

Maybe I am imagining things  %%
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #127 on: November 11, 2017, 08:18:39 PM »

Thank you very much ....  :}

I bought a flexible shaft for my drill so I can work much better. A mask and a vaacum cleaner should be on hand all the time.





Left side is taking shape ... right one will be done later.



Still some corrections to be done .... I hope the hull will look ok in the end ....

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #128 on: November 11, 2017, 08:22:06 PM »

Superb  :-))
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2017, 09:53:02 PM »

Amen  8)
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2017, 10:01:02 PM »

Your attention to detail is superb, more than the last 2 builds put together


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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #131 on: November 13, 2017, 04:37:03 PM »

Thanks a lot to you all!!!!!  :-))
Such nice words are much needed at the moment. I was just seconds away from scrapping the whole project and starting another one.
And the I found this usefull Bosch sanding disk with #40 sandpaperdisks in a place where I put it in after buying it some time ago ... I totally forgot it.
My o my .... it does the job in half the time as all other machines together!!! Just keep control of it or it will sand away alf of the ship in no time ....



Here you see the bow section where I haven't done anything sofar.... blue dots mark where I have to add or sand away some material.



This side is nearly finished and is awaiting the planks.



I will finish this project but I learned my lesson. Never again I will trust in computer generated hull plans. I will copy and draw by hand my next hull and if something goes wrong its my fault.
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #132 on: November 20, 2017, 03:36:28 PM »

Monday is model building day ....  ok2

Firs I made the plank inside the hull ... if there is one to the right one to the left ist a must have!



Couldn't resist and did stop sanding the frames. I thought if I do the planks now I will see if the shape of the hull is ok or not much better! And its less dusty!!!!
The planks are cut by myself and about 13x4mm .... I may have to use some humidity to get some of them bend to the right shape. These two went very well and I used less clamps as normally for this job.







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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #133 on: November 20, 2017, 05:15:36 PM »

 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #134 on: November 20, 2017, 06:57:03 PM »

If in doubt have a small project to fiddle with while your frustration with another project wanes and you can see other colours than red!

This will be a beautiful hull Danielle.
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #135 on: November 21, 2017, 12:14:22 AM »


Actually with a few more frames no planking would be necessary. O0 O0 O0

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #136 on: November 23, 2017, 07:01:39 PM »

You're right .... a few more frames and the hull would have been finished. BUT sanding this hard plywood is not what I like to do!

One row of planks glued to the hull ... always one to the left and one to the right.



Its going on fast but it will take week or months to finish the job.





This pictures show how I have planned to put in the nails .... there will be tousands of nails at the end. I will put them in saltwater first and I hope they will get rusty asap! I hope that the rust will break trough the color and will be a nice weathering effect.



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Now the hull starts to show its shape nicely ....
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2017, 09:07:55 PM »

It might be worth checking on the long term effects of pre rusting your nails just in case they keep on rusting with catastrophic results- possibly joins giving way or holes allowing water into your wooden frames and causing problems.

I might be worrying over much but you will have a lovely model and I don't want to see it age prematurely  %%
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2017, 10:36:06 PM »

Danielle....

100 years ago, builders used Iron nails in boat construction, and today Galvanized bolts are used in temporary hull repair work

We understand that your Steel nails would only be cosmetic as the planking is glued to the frames and these joints were supported by clamps during the curing of the glue

In todays full size wooden boat building of this type and form of build, bronze bolts are used as the main element of holding the planks to the frames, and secondary bronze nails are used to assist the structure

The nail evidence you see in the full sized vessel is a result not of corrosion but a mechanical occurrence .......the timber planking even though protected externally and internally on and within the vessel by a painting system, has a moisture content [~~8 to 10%?]...so this timber will expand and contract with variations in temperature

So the head of the bronze bolt or nail remains stable and stationary, however the wood surrounding the fasteners can move, hence the circular cracking [the diameter] of the nail or bolt head size you see in the paint work 

I must agree here with Ian......if corrosion commenced on your 1.5 mm diameter steel pin nails.....with moisture even from the atmosphere would initially blister the paint work and the with the presence of oxygen ......continue to corrode down in the diameter of the nails......in a few years the hull surface would be visually catastrophically damaged

Why not go back to some trawler builder friends and get their thoughts of steel nails in wooden hulled vessels

I am sure you vessel will have many brackets and plates that you could manufacture from steel plate or shim and you could prematurely rust these for effect...without affect  %)

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #139 on: November 24, 2017, 09:46:36 AM »

Seen yesterday passing through Manchester airport was a guy wearing a jacket with a ship name and F number on the back, seen to remember the name of the ship, but I've slept since then and forgotten which ship but I am sure it was on one of the trawler men programmes, which is why it triggered the memory, alzhiemers - its a  -what were we talking about?  {:-{
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #140 on: November 25, 2017, 04:53:19 AM »

This is the effect of rust is am looking for .... on the bow .... the rust streaks are from rusting nails. They are hammered into predrilled holes.

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« Reply #141 on: November 25, 2017, 07:46:48 AM »

You could try dabbing a strong salt solution on the nail head before painting ,do not use all steel nails just a few and  the rest copper pins , if you use all steel pin and they all rust it might be too much.
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« Reply #142 on: November 25, 2017, 11:19:54 AM »

You may not get the external rust you are looking for but will probably get an interaction with the wood around the nails. I have an old yacht where the planks were screwed on with steel screws. The wood around many of the screws have blackened and stuck to the screw. I tried removing them to replace them with brass screws and was unable to remove the screw without damaging the surrounding wood. The yacht in its 80  years had been varnished and painted at different times.
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« Reply #143 on: November 26, 2017, 01:15:46 PM »

Hi Danielle I've been giving this some thought and I can see why you want to use rusted steel nails to get the real authenticity onto your build.  It just follows with the patience that you have put into all of the framework so far.  Having said that I think that it would take a very long time to actually get the look that you want which got me thinking about your previous build.


Why not use nails to keep the authenticity that you want and then use your skills with your airbrush to make it look old.  You achieved this with the Cornelia Marie so well so why not do it again? Just a thought from me, and keep the pictures coming as it really is a great build that you are doing there  :-)
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« Reply #144 on: November 26, 2017, 01:33:44 PM »

I am in agreement with the others Danielle. I think once the nails start to rust it will lead to problems with the paint/laquer lifting and ruining the hull. Go with the suggestion by Mark.
By the way, just love this hull, would not want to get in the way of it on a pond......keep up the good work....... :-))


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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #145 on: November 27, 2017, 04:26:41 AM »

Ok you're right! I will use the nails but I will not try to get them rusty. I will use my drybrush weathering techniques (like I did on the Cornelia Marie) to have a well used and abused trawler ....  ok2
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #146 on: November 27, 2017, 04:53:10 PM »

As usual I added a few "easy" planks as warm-up.



... the I added a few more and even two the go to the bow. These are the most difficult ones and I normaly leave them till the end.



Just to show you how I will add the nails. First drill the holes with a 0.8mm drill. Then a little bit of countersink by hand.
Nails are 1x10mm



Use a small hammer to get the nails in. And a steel rod to get the head in. Maybe I do not have to countersink the holes .... I'll try it out another day.
The rest of the nails will be added after I finished the hull. Sanded and ready for paint.

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« Reply #147 on: November 28, 2017, 12:21:20 AM »


Have you tried a pin push , just drop the pin the tool its held by a  magnet place tool where you want said pin push handle ,job done . It saves all the shock from the hammer.
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #148 on: December 04, 2017, 03:05:49 PM »

As I drill a hole first i manage to get the nail in with one atomic hit from my big hammer ...  :}

More planks today....



Tried to get the planks sorted out at the stern ...



The bow .... you need to be very clever to place the clmp t the exact spot!



Slowly it begins to look like a hull and I start to think about how it will swim in the bathtub ....  ok2

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« Reply #149 on: December 04, 2017, 11:29:33 PM »

'Slowly it begins to look like a hull and I start to think about how it will swim in the bathtub ....  ok2 '

Hopefully the right way up and without any pools forming in the bilges Danielle  :} Seriously though, I like the planking, I bet your boat building cave smells lovely of wod and ply.
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