Topic: 1/72 Scale HMS York Build (Read 46053 times)

ballastanksian · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2018, 09:06:02 pm »

You should be very proud of yourself as that is a fine hangar Jon

On displays, you could put a small mirror on the hangar floor to show off your roof

jonggd · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:30:41 pm »

Manufactured and fitted the bilge Keels and stabilisers today. The bilge keels is the one part of the model I hate making, the method I tend to use is to laminate 3 pieces of 2mm plasticard together and then file/sand to the desired tapper. It takes virtually all day in the workshop to produce these and I think my arm is going to fall off after all this filing

. There has to be an easier way. Jon

derekwarner · « **Reply #27 on:** February 14, 2018, 10:20:12 pm »

Jon...the bilge keels look fine......do you reinforce them with glassed pegs or pins back into the hull?

In real life, these bilge keels are very important & literally the only things that keep the hull from rolling over

Derek

rnli12 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2018, 05:39:29 am »

You sure?

Why don't submarines role over? lol

derekwarner · « **Reply #29 on:** February 15, 2018, 07:05:53 am »

Submarines are a slightly different kettle of fish & are ballasted by fixed placement of machinery, however 'could' roll uncontrollably without their fixed fwd & aft planes ...the rudder being fixed in the vertical plane also helps maintain balance

raflaunches · « **Reply #30 on:** February 15, 2018, 08:52:16 am »

I think Derek is being rather overly dramatic in that statement!

Bilge keels help reduce the tendency for the ship to roll but will not stop the ship rolling over- many forces control the causes and effect of roll and the bilge keel is best described as an aerodynamic strake if it was on an aircraft. It can’t stop it rolling but smooths it out.

I’ve used different methods of making bilge keels but the best I’ve been shown was by Geoff Dixon who used angled brass.

derekwarner · « **Reply #31 on:** February 15, 2018, 09:35:30 am »

Nick B is straight to a few issues.......

1. yes, naturally my words were a little tongue in cheek
2. however they were qualified by sea time on an [Oliver Perry Class] Australian FFG...........

Similar top heavy build as your British Type 42's.....our FFG's were never to be left in a mill pond and have a Force 8 Boom & Blow against a broadside

Our DDG's [Charles F Adams Class] were far friendlier and comfortable vessels at sea in similar conditions

The same physical limitations of stability apply in scale to our scale models

Any doubters?.......just get your like jackets

raflaunches · « **Reply #32 on:** February 15, 2018, 09:46:33 am »

Too true Derek
I sailed with HMS Edinburgh in 2012 for eight hours in Choiseul Sound in East Falkland and it was the most uncomfortable ship I’ve ever been aboard. I’ve been on a few ships but the Type 42 was like being very uncomfortablely drunk/tipsy all the time due to the movement of the destroyer.

jonggd · « **Reply #33 on:** February 16, 2018, 06:54:57 pm »

Hello Derek, They are reinforced with 1mm brass rod that also goes into the hull, hopefully stopping me from knocking them off. Jon.

jonggd · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2018, 05:02:27 pm »

After completing the quarter deck I permanently fix down the Helideck and began detailing. Inserted the tie downs and made a start on the netting. Jon

AT Boatyard · « **Reply #35 on:** March 11, 2018, 07:36:34 pm »

Nice work Jon.
Our Type45 will not have inside detail as it is being built for distance challenges.
So it must be totally water tight.

Alan

jonggd · « **Reply #36 on:** March 18, 2018, 06:32:17 pm »

Continued to fit the netting and applied some detail to the hanger. Jon

ballastanksian · « **Reply #37 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:45:32 pm »

That is definitely a beautiful model on the go Jon!

David gray · « **Reply #38 on:** March 18, 2018, 08:53:35 pm »

Love the detail John will be a fantastic model , I intend to add as mch detail as I can to my liverpool build
Dave

Geoff · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2018, 01:44:50 pm »

Just on the question of stability. If the weights in a ship are too low the ship has a very high initial stability but a quick jerky roll. This is why many models look a bit toy like as they "bob about a bit". The corollary being if the weights are too high then the model it top heavy and can indeed roll over, but if the weights are just right you will get a slower roll, helped by the bilge keels to smooth things out.

This is not a question of detail because with a real ship if a ship is too stiff it bobs about and causes seasickness with a quick roll and it is difficult to aim weapons when you have a fast roll! A slower roll reduces crew fatigue and allows weapons to be aimed but has lower initial stability - its all a "balancing act!"

Cheers

Geoff

kpnuts · « **Reply #40 on:** March 20, 2018, 11:24:35 am »

That looks amazing and big.

kevin547n · « **Reply #41 on:** March 22, 2018, 07:45:57 am »

Jon

I seam to be following you on here as well

Akira · « **Reply #42 on:** March 22, 2018, 11:17:55 pm »

Excellent! Bigger is better.

jonggd · « **Reply #43 on:** March 24, 2018, 04:00:29 pm »

Hello Kevin, Good to see another Fleetscaler on the Forum

. Jon

jonggd · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2018, 07:21:05 pm »

Evening all, made a start on the main superstructure this weekend. Jon

kevin547n · « **Reply #45 on:** March 26, 2018, 08:00:27 pm »

love the frame work on the structure next to the funnel

ballastanksian · « **Reply #46 on:** March 26, 2018, 08:11:07 pm »

Even a small amount of detail adds more to a model than its constituent parts

David gray · « **Reply #47 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:57:12 pm »

Exellent work John puts my effort to shame , which paint are you going to use John for the hull and superstructure
regards David

jonggd · « **Reply #48 on:** March 27, 2018, 09:45:10 pm »

Hello David, For the last couple of models I have used Humbrol Enamel paints. The best colour match and gives good coverage, the only real problem is that it only available in small tins. I tend to thin 50/50 with enamel thinners and spray with an airbrush. I expect I will do the same on this model. Jon

David gray · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:06:08 am »

Hi Jon , I used humbrol on the fleet tender I have just
Done I went with the the light grey 147
The norm seams to be 127 , not shore if
This is to dark on a small model and they only
Do it in satin , I think the lighter Matt 147
Would show small detail better
I will have to do some experimenting
Dave

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