Topic: Aircraft for future Bogue class Escort Carrier (Read 6555 times)

Stan · « **on:** October 31, 2017, 12:18:54 pm »

Hopefully some time in the future I hope to build my second escort carrier based on the Deans Marine Fencer but the American version. just a couple of pictures showing some the aircraft that may be fitted to the finished model.

Stan.

unbuiltnautilus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2017, 05:24:21 pm »

I would love to see one of these models completely decked out as an aircraft transport, with the variety of aircraft that would entail ( not rising to the P-47 Thunderbolt bait

).

Stan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2017, 06:09:47 pm »

Aircraft for the model at the moment 2 PBY Catalina 2 C 47 Skytrains P 47 P51 and yes Japanese Zeros still looking for others at 1.100 scale.

Stan.

dlancast · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2017, 09:29:28 pm »

I had to stop and check that one as I hadn't been aware of a P-47 used on carriers. Yes indeed, they were often ferried across the pond and many times flown off the deck to their new airbase on land. Not to my knowledge did the US Navy use 47's as normal fighter aircraft on and off carriers. They had the power to get off for sure. Best example of non-normal aircraft flying off a carrier are the B-25's for the Doolittle Raid on Japan. Whatever you choose mate, if that is an example, you will have a fine squad to display on your next carrier. Dennis

Stan · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2017, 09:49:03 pm »

Hi Dennis should I build the second carrier it will be U S S Copahee which I think ferried items to and from the war zones may be you can confirm this? You are correct the P47 was not a naval aircraft

Stan.

dlancast · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2017, 10:03:04 pm »

Stan, go for it... you do beautiful work and these support carriers don't get enough press. Here is some info for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Copahee

Regards, Dennis

Akira · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2017, 11:58:25 pm »

Check out this link http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/012.htm Quite a few possibilities for you. Excellent subject I look forward to your build.
Jonathan

TailUK · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2017, 08:22:48 am »

There are plenty of pictures escort carriers ferrying aircraft, two that stuck in my mind were Lockheed Ventura (navalised version of the Electra) and the P38 Lightning (minus the wings) Theres also a picture of an Escort carrier with 2 LCM landing craft on the flight deck.

Stan · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2017, 11:39:33 am »

HI Guys thanks for your comments on aircraft types sadly at 1/96 or 1/100 there is not much available but will keep looking.

Stan

rcboater1 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2017, 03:28:37 am »

Sadly, affordable plastic models of 1/96 or 1/100 scale aircraft are hard to find. And when you can find them, they are seldom WW2 carrier aircraft!

One option you may not be aware of: Back in the early 90s, Lindberg relesed a small collection of simple, old kits called "Fighters Four." In the box were two jets (a USAF F-80 and a USN F7U Cutlass) and two props- an F6F Hellcat and a F4U Corsair. You may be able to find one on the auction sites.

Another option may be die cast models-- though the scales are all over the place. A series advertised as "1/100" scale may have models ranging from 1/90 to 1/110-- they may scale them up or down to make the various subjects closer to the same size. Other downsides are the weight of the models, adn the fact that many are molded "in flight" with wheels up.

Escort carriers were used extensively as aircraft ferries in the Pacific-- less so in the ETO. In the PTO, all types of Army and Navy aircraft may be carried as cargo. These planes were generally not carried in "fly-off" condition, as that greatly limited the number that could be carried.

Here's an example-- a CVE carrying a deck full of P-47 Thuderbolts and some twin engine patrol planes. Note that the P-47s don't carry any squadron markings-- they probably wouldn't be assigned to a specific squadron until after delivery to the forward base.

rnli12 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2017, 06:40:27 am »

Try 1/144th US Aircraft from Revell

Stan · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2017, 07:22:07 am »

1/144 wrong scale needs to be 1/100 or 1/96.

Stan

Stan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2017, 07:25:44 am »

Hi rcboater thank for your reply.The P47 I have are late war versions and I suspect they would have been left in natural metal finish?

Stan

tigertiger · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2017, 07:34:13 am »

Here is a list of sellers of P47D in 1/100. Not too expensive at $16 a pop https://www.google.com/shopping/product/2143145972652987929?q=p47+models+1/100+scale&biw=1366&bih=662&prds=paur:ClkAsKraXw3T4rjvWNFKNOxpm8sEbCCEX_l_dOd5-QQRjSkf1CKrFWvSudfKW4AZYteInexumSl4TXb1GnGuMh7t0SOrkdkfmGjmbwIuRLVeIAfmA-AAZTmT7xIZAFPVH7085rR_M4N5V7cw0fpOdA86wOpETw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI_bfF8aHXAhWpzIMKHZAPCB4Q8gIIyQIwAA

rnli12 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2017, 07:52:40 am »

Says Easy Model 1:72 P47D Thunderbolt 61fs ?????????????

warspite · « **Reply #15 on:** November 03, 2017, 08:41:17 am »

Not strictly a suggestion for an aircraft, more of a suggestion for how to represent the aircraft, cast them - but have them covered in tarp to give the impression of a squad, casting a prop is really the only detailed item and can be mass produced, the basic shape and undercarriage can also be mass produced and then covered, with the donor aircraft being the only one uncovered.

TailUK · « **Reply #16 on:** November 03, 2017, 09:17:19 am »

There are picture of a post war CVE carrying F84 Thunderjets which are covered in heat shrink plastic.
Hard to find types in 1/96th and 1/100th scale might be found on the Shapeways site;

https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/aircraft

John R Haynes · « **Reply #17 on:** November 03, 2017, 09:43:28 am »

I supply at 1/96 ---Hellcats/Dauntless/Wildcats/Corsairs/Avenger/Devastator/Seahawk/Kingfisher some of which were supplied to Stan

Plastic - RIP · « **Reply #18 on:** November 03, 2017, 10:44:16 am »

I think you have 2 choices - either go for the correct aircraft which means a small number neatly arranged - or - go for the transport carrier in which case you'll need loads more aircraft to fill every inch of the deck like a car-park and you'll need to simulate the various coverings for the aircraft to protect them for the crossing to Europe.

Will all that weight high up on the model's deck make it unstable?

Akira · « **Reply #19 on:** November 03, 2017, 12:11:42 pm »

There is another option being overlooked. Shapeways 3D printed aircraft. Stan take a look at this site. He does not show a lot of 1/100 scale units, but has lot's in 1/144. As it does not take much work to re-scale a 3D product, I have requested it numerous times with excellent results, you might ask him if he will re-scale the models you want.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/foz

Jonathan

rcboater1 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 03, 2017, 04:33:41 pm »

Quote from: Stan on November 03, 2017, 07:25:44 am

Hi rcboater thank for your reply.The P47 I have are late war versions and I suspect they would have been left in natural metal finish?
Stan

Stan,

Yes, late war US Army aircraft would often be in natural metal instead of painted. (Navy aircraft were always painted for corrosion protection in the salt air.) So the P-47s you have would be appropriate. They would be even more accurate without the tail markings-- just overall silver, with the anti-glare panel on the nose and US markings on the wings and fuselage. (No squadron letter codes, no brightly colored tails or stripes, no nose art.)

My comments about not being in "ready to fly" state still apply. If you left them like they are, aviation fans are going to say "Hey, nice model, but P-47s didn't fly off of carriers!" But if you add some tie downs, canvas covers over the canopy and maybe the opening in the cowl, you have an aircraft being transported.

FYI-- I'm a long time plastic modeler (WW2 and WW1, primarily) and an CVE enthusiast. I have been collecting plastic models of WW2 carrier models for 25+ years. I am currently building the Glynn Guest Casablanca class CVE as the USS Guadalcanal (captured U-505 in June '44). That model is in 1/144 scale, primarily because of aircraft availability.....!

-Bill

rcboater1 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 03, 2017, 04:40:18 pm »

Another lead for you: Revell made a "box scale" DC-3 that scales out to about 1/90. You could paint that as a C-47 transport. It would be especially convincing as part of a transport load if you cut the wings off at the joint outboard of the engines. (I know I've seen photos of C-46s and C-47s on carrier decks that way!)

Stan · « **Reply #22 on:** November 03, 2017, 04:59:41 pm »

Thank you all for your suggestions. At the moment I have around 12 P 47 2 PBY 2 C 47 will still keep looking .Reference the p47 with tail markings these could have been going back fro a war zone check out Copahee mixed bunch Zeros and various us aircraft on the return voyage.

Stan.

DavieTait · « **Reply #23 on:** November 03, 2017, 05:12:38 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgRTPGYEQA

There you go 1/96th full 8 channel remote controlled aircraft !!

Plastic - RIP · « **Reply #24 on:** November 03, 2017, 05:23:47 pm »

Quote from: DavieTait on November 03, 2017, 05:12:38 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgRTPGYEQA

There you go 1/96th full 8 channel remote controlled aircraft !!

Very cool.

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