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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #150 on: November 04, 2019, 01:38:44 PM »

Thank you for the image - very interesting, but unfortunately whilst very clear as to the rigging it doesn't shed a lot of light on where it goes at deck level, how its tied off and to what points - i.e. the moving rigging and not the standing rigging.


As before I may need to use some modelling license but thank you for posting the image!


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2019, 07:51:19 AM »

What about figure 8 ? oops sorry thats the standing rigging, the moving rigging looks like it connects to a box or winch at the base of the mast.
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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #152 on: January 07, 2020, 01:26:12 PM »

Okay, some further progress but also one large step backwards!


I have been building the three steam pinnaces for Invincible and used the plans from "The Anatomy of the Ship - Dreadnought" as the boats are drawn to 1/96 scale.


All was okay until I went to fix the outer pinnaces on the aft flying deck. Once fitted there wasn't room for the inner two boats. Much checking of measurements ensured and on checking the pinnaces shown on the Sambrook plans and the "Original Plans" (Battlecrusiers by Roberts) showed they are actually much slimmer than those shown in Dreadnought!


Further checking shows that the Dreadnought ones are 11 feet wide and the Invincible ones are 9 feet wide. All this adds up to 1/2 inch less width between the outer boats.


There is a surviving 50 foot steam pinnace at Portsmouth and the web gives dimensions as 50 feet long buy 9 feet wide. Interestingly the specific pinnace was actually mounted on Inflexible (Invincible's sister) for a period of time so I think that confirms the authenticity and measurements.


I can only conclude the Dreadnought plans are either inaccurate or perhaps were distorted during printing giving a wider beam.


Basically the three steam pinnaces are now junk and have to be completely re-made. Measure three times and check all available sources before cutting!!! >:-o



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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #153 on: January 07, 2020, 01:44:37 PM »

On the positive side, you've gained more invaluable experience in the building of the 'scrap' pinnaces and this should make the replacements more of a pleasure to build  :-))


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #154 on: February 25, 2020, 01:38:23 PM »

Okay some pictures if I can figure out how to re-size them - different software!


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #155 on: February 25, 2020, 01:43:48 PM »

It works, so more pictures. I must admit making and fixing the aft boats and boat deck has taken absolutely ages.


Note the brass pulleys on the mainmast and that one of the steam launches has its doors open!


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2020, 01:46:17 PM »

Two more. This time the bow area and the guns on the midships turrets - I have two more guns to add.


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #157 on: February 25, 2020, 02:10:14 PM »

Fantastic work Geoff


Iím slowly catching up with you now Iím dedicating Sunday mornings to progress my version.
Glad youíve sorted out your ships boats on the aft superstructure, Iíve just finished my forward superstructure boats and got the aft ones to look forward to!
Good to see your work again :-))

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« Reply #158 on: March 03, 2020, 01:49:16 PM »

If you need to make oars, as there is a surprising number of them needed (circa 60) may I suggest you use plastic rod (0.88mm) and squeeze 13rd in a smooth jaw vice. It only takes a few seconds to make an oar. It takes longer to paint them!


The vice crushes and spreads the plastic to about twice its width and it stays flat - perfect for an oar.


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #159 on: March 08, 2020, 07:46:55 PM »

Hi Geoff


Fantatsic advice, I will get some plastic rod this week and give it a go. Better than carving or making from two parts!
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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #160 on: March 08, 2020, 08:10:34 PM »

You can do the same thing with soft brass wire too. I've not tried the plastic though. I used a hammer rather than a vice.

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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #161 on: March 08, 2020, 08:15:32 PM »

Hi Colin


Thatís interesting to know too, Iíll give both a go and see what I can produce. Itís little fittings like this that make a model and making them less of a chore is always best I think.
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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #162 on: March 08, 2020, 09:44:29 PM »

Nick,

With the brass wire I cut off an oversize length, bash one end with a hammer on a flat metal surface and then trim both ends to size. Very quick when you get the hang of it.

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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #163 on: March 08, 2020, 09:56:44 PM »

Thanks Colin


Got some thing to try out at work this week- weíve actually got an anvil at work (which surprises me working on aircraft!). Iíll have a play at work- might get a few funny looks from my mates at work though!
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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #164 on: March 09, 2020, 01:41:54 PM »

I've even wondered if it would work with wood if previously soaked particularly with the right wood. Maybe worth a try as lots of smooth wooden oars would look quite nice.


Completed and fitted the forward boats over the weekend. Whilst built I just have to fit two more boats on the high gantry's on the aft superstructure then that task will be competed and I can't say I'm sorry! 15 boats plus one balsa raft. It all took ages and probably the hardest were the two small dinghies as they are only 5cm long and just very hard to hold.


Next main step is probably to make the 40 coal holes. Ideally I would need miniature raised squares just like manhole covers but I can't find a source so I plan to make some soft copper wire circles and crush then in a vice to make a flat disc frame and then use fine net curtain # pattern and cut out discs and insert inside the circular frame. It should all probably look quite convincing and much better than just circles of plastic card.


In real life these would have been flush with the deck but I'm not confident I can recess the deck accurately enough without splintering so mine will be slightly proud.


A almost started making a list of outstanding items over the weekend but then realized its just too early to even think of such a thing!


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #165 on: March 18, 2020, 01:38:00 PM »

One of the tasks before me is to make the manhole coverage for the coal ports. These work out about 7mm in diameter so are quite small. Unfortunately my camera won't focus to show the detail but I have made about 40 of these using the following method:


1) Make copper wire circles about 6mm in diameter by winding thin copper wire round a mandrel


2) Cut them off and soft solder the joints.


3) Crush them in a large smooth jaw vice and they flatten and create very thin perfectly circular washers of 7mm outside diameter then paint in dark grey


4) Purchase some fine net curtain # pattern and paint in dark grey.


5) Make a cutting die and cut out  5.9mm discs - its actually quite easy if you rock and roll the die from side to side in a rotating fashion as this will give you a clean cut.


6) Glue the copper washers onto the deck and paint inside with dark grey and immediately place the # disc inside and stipple with a paint brush.


The effect is quite good as you get a very thin and crisp circular frame with an anti slip tread inside which is just about right. Despite the number of steps its not that time consuming or awkward to produce and gives a far better representation than just a flat disc of plastic card.


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Re: INVINCIBLE Too!
« Reply #166 on: Yesterday at 07:55:43 PM »

Hi Geoff


Definitely going to give this a go, after Iíve built my steam pinnaces- ouch this is a real job, I had hoped to use the vacform hulls from Deans Marine for the Dreadnought kit but as you say the Dreadnought drawings donít match the Invincible versions. Oh well, got nothing else better to do at the moment!
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