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Iím never doing that again!
« on: March 28, 2018, 08:11:15 AM »

For the last couple of days Iíve been having a rather lively debate on a Facebook page about battleships regarding my opinion that Scharnhorst (WW2) was a battlecruiser and not a battleship. As per the rules of the page I kept stating that it was my opinion and I gave references to my arguments. No problems so far. Until we started to define what a battleship is. Almost everyone else used the argument that Dreadnought defined what a battleship is but only kept going on about the all big gun armament. I pointed out that was only one feature of the ship and the steam turbines and other features also made up a Dreadnought otherwise you could describe a monitor as a battleship or the pocket battleships as battleships even though the rules on the page quite clearly said that they were heavy cruisers. Letís just say that they donít like me now and got quite angry with me trying to Ďredefineí was a Dreadnought is even though I was describing what the Dreadnought was and why it was revolutionary! It felt very uncomfortable to be shouted at regarding a subject I know very well, they were literally saying that I didnít know what I was on about. I did a bit of digging on the Facebook members who didnít like me using their profiles and discovered that they were people who searched the internet for their information and probably had never read any book on the subject. (Well thatís what their profile information implied!)   I sticking to my friends on Mayhem to have discussions with as that was the worst 24 hours on the internet Iíve ever had!!!
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2018, 08:28:17 AM »

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There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and
as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and
it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.
It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.

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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 08:59:36 AM »

Well Graf Spee was a Pocket Battleship, so its obvious really......................no, carry on. Battlecruiser all the way :-))


Now try telling people that Bismark was just a jumped up WW1 design, that gets people angry!
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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 09:01:00 AM »

Just look at your posting....................9 lines of sentences without any paragraphs :P

This is not your general style of posting........it does however confirm a viral SPIT...this also confirms your frustration at the subject you were discussing

Walk away from fools  :-))

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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 09:07:44 AM »

Hi Derek


Youíve hit it on the head! My grammar has gone to hell! Damn you Facebook!
Back to normality. :-))


As I said earlier Iím walking away from those type of people as they seem to be blinded by one feature and canít stand it when someone like myself points out others.
Never mind. You live and learn.
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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 10:21:06 AM »

Nick, its simply a waste of time arguing with people who are armoured by their own ingnorance. They know they are right because they read it on line and you are therefore wrong. Nothing you can say will shift them as they take it as a personal offence.

And Mark Zuckerberg has harvested your punctuation - will these people stop at mothing?!  >>:-(

Some people believe there are fairies at the bottom of the garden, mine are all drowning at the moment with the constant rain... ok2

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 11:53:54 AM »

 
Hey Nick,

That was me on Facebook, arguing the toss, I was using my a nom-de-plume of RivetCounter or  MrKnowitall or Cptn, Arrogant, maybe sir. Dontcare Iamnotlistening, sometimes I use Tony Blair, George Galloway, David Cameron or even Donald Trump.

Look up 'Godwin's law'.









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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2018, 12:09:34 PM »

Hey Nick and Martin .......
Never forget when someone asked the late Stephen Hawking ..... Did he think there was intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy ....... he replied, "I'm still trying to find intelligent life on Earth".  {-)
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 12:24:32 PM »

And remember, it is a proven fact that almost half the population is of below average intelligence...
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 12:49:07 PM »

To most members of the general public any ship painted grey is "A Battleship".
Except of course to bystanders at Black Park who invariably refer to them as "Army Boats".
With discerning knowledge they point to my 1905 HMS Skirmisher (with three ochre funnels) and confidently assert that it is the Titanic.  Obviously the number and colour of the funnels is a give-away? (doh!).

My only boat that is reliably identified correctly in my Iggle Piggle boat from In The Night Garden.
Documentaries on children's television are a great source of knowledge.   {-)

Isaac Asimov once wrote that "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain".
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2018, 01:12:53 PM »


Hi Nick, truly it is never worth getting into an argument with an acolyte of the great god google, for they know that it and they are always right. But if nothing else they can be quite often offer hilarious entertainment. Such as one who spent quite some time describing his impressions of the RAFs first jet fighter - the Spitfire!!! or his no doubt friend who gave his opinions of the best biplane fighter of WW1 illustrated with photographs of triplanes. "Forgive them for they know not what they do or say".
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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2018, 01:46:41 PM »

And there i THOUGHT  Bismark was an airfix kit mmmm back to the drawing board


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Re: Iím never doing that again!
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2018, 02:27:03 PM »

Was it on Mayhem where the following was said?:


Never argue with an idiot- theyíll knock you down to their level and then beat you with experience!


Definitely not going to talk to those idiots again- they didnít even grasp what a debate was- I was just wrong and that was that!


If I want a sensible and intelligent debate Iíll talk to everyone on the Mayhem forum. At least I wonít be insulted. :-))
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2018, 02:36:44 PM »

 
Never argue with an idiot- theyíll knock you down to their level and then beat you with experience!



Sounds like Mr Milbourn jem to me 8)


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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2018, 02:39:06 PM »

 That is a quote from that great man "Inertia" nemesis
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2018, 03:18:09 PM »

My personal favourite....


It is better to say nothing & let the world think you are an idiot than to open your mouth & remove all doubt..


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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2018, 03:44:14 PM »

As I pointed out to someone who heckled me when I was making a presentation ...... the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound ....... which is why some people look really bright - until you hear them speak !
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2018, 04:52:00 PM »

 
.... so what is the definition of a "British Battleship" Nick?
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2018, 04:57:14 PM »

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh %)
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2018, 05:13:59 PM »

 
 {-) {-) {-)
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2018, 05:21:36 PM »


One a different tack... but sort of related, anyone know anything about a US Monitor class ship visiting England for the first time?




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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2018, 05:29:26 PM »

Yes it did but not until 1866. It was the USS Miantonomoh but we already had our own ironclads by then. Think they may be over doing the threat it posed though in the video and the forum it was originally from.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2018, 06:57:23 PM »


Isaac Asimov once wrote that "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain".


Yes, although he was using a quote as the hook for " The Gods Themselves". The quote is from a play by Friedrich Schiller. I had to look that last bit up on the Interweb so I hope I am not becoming a keyboard expert like Nick's ex-mates on that other forum.  %%


But I think it might be time to reacquaint myself with Asimov's work. Thanks for the prompt!  :-))


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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2018, 07:39:56 PM »


Sadly Nick, we entered the 'Cretinatious' period some decades ago and I presume we will be in it for a while yet.


Look on the bright side, with your creative hands and mind, you out perform the rest of them put together, and find time to assist in keeping our nation safe  :-))
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2018, 07:47:21 PM »

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.... so what is the definition of a "British Battleship" Nick?
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A battleship wot was built in Britain although not necessarilly for the RN...

There were lots of battleships before Dreadnought too, HMS Victory is a Line of Battle ship.

Scharnhorst could never have qualified as a battleship, inadequate guns and armour. (Oh, and yes, Bismarck was a jumped up WW1 design!)

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