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« on: June 13, 2018, 08:24:40 AM »

25 feet to 1 inch scratchbuilt.     Masts, spars and rigging, 100% metal.    Completed a few days ago.    This is a merchant ship.   The ports are just decoration, they do not open, they do not conceal guns. This type of model is very much sought after by collectors, but for some reason, they are rarely modelled!       
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 11:20:06 AM »

Another nice model . There is at least one iron sailing ship wreck outside Port Stanley and one accessible at low tide
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 11:28:15 AM »

Beautiful workmanship  :-))


The ship in question in Port Stanley is the SS Lady Elizabeth. If you look for my thread on my detachment to the Falklands you’ll be able to see some pictures of her.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 11:48:28 AM »

I have visited the hulk of the Lady Elizabeth a number of times in 198/83 - Bob
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 03:51:41 PM »

Another beautiful model Bob. Your sails and rigging put mine to shame, but I am improving......I think....
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 03:58:57 PM »

Thansk - Hope you are still enjoying miniatures - Bob   
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 04:03:59 PM »

Detachment to the Falklands.Couldn't find it, I am afraid - Haven't a clue on using the search here - Bob   
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2018, 06:01:12 PM »

Thansk - Hope you are still enjoying miniatures - Bob


Oh yes, loving it. Finding rigging and sails difficult, but am getting there..
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2018, 09:10:31 PM »

Detachment to the Falklands.Couldn't find it, I am afraid - Haven't a clue on using the search here - Bob   



Try this link...


http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,38863.msg387765.html#msg387765
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 07:48:59 AM »

Thanks for link.   Goodness knows why I couldn't find it, as I am normally quite good with computers.   Interesting thread.   I was there from 1982 to 1983.   At that time, there were no restrictions on photography. so I had a marvellous time looking at the wrecks.   Being on a ship, and having access to the boat, I was able to get aboard Lady Elizabeth on several occasions.     Other sailing ship wrecks included  Fleetwing, William Shand, Snowsquall, Egeria, Charles Cooper, Jhelum, Capricron, Jennie S Barker.    Here is Jhelum, fairly complete at the time, but now, most of it has collapsed into the harbour.Bob
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2018, 03:31:29 PM »

The model of the iron barque Gulf Stream was wrecked on its way to Belgium on the  25th June last.Bob

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2018, 07:16:01 PM »

Bob,
That is a terrible shame. Some couriers you used there. Are you going to strip it down and complete it again?
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2018, 08:20:54 PM »

Thanks,They have delivered 49 of them safely over the past 10 years, all over the world.   I can accept that damage can happen, and I had insured it for £500, but so far, have not heard a word from the insurers - 18 days now!    I am not very optimistic.    I can't really do anything until the insurance is settled either way.    I will probabaly re-rig, but it will no longer be for sale (I refunded the buyer in full, including the delivery costs of £70), so I am hundreds of pounds down at the moment.    I will not be sending any more out by courier, not even in the UK.     Remark by the courier agent "It isn't too bad, just a few sails need re-positioning, and a bit of rigging re-threaded!"      Really, they have no idea of the work involved!Bob
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2018, 09:51:09 PM »

Don't give up on the insurance. Ring them. Ask why the delay and keep asking. They are liable and will pay up when pushed.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2018, 03:12:49 AM »

Don't give up on the insurance. Ring them. Ask why the delay and keep asking. They are liable and will pay up when pushed.
 


Yes, they won't pay up unless pushed.
Forget the frustration, just take on the attitude that your job is to just badger them, try to enjoy wearing them down. They are not being inefficient, their job is wear you down to accept a lower offer. Don't accept it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 06:26:53 AM »

I sent it via the Mailboxesetc franchise, who passed it on to UPS.      The insurance was with Mailboxes.    I have no doubt that UPS would just say (correctly) that I am not their customer, Mailboxes is.    When I ask Mailboxes, so far they say the claim is "progressing!"   They have already hinted that I will only get what they feel is sufficient to have it repaired.   If at the end of the week nothing has hapenned, I will probably take it to a national newspaper.Bob

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 07:55:35 AM »

I once had this with Christies in London. They were prepared to collect the model and have it repaired professionally, but I said I would do it myself. I made a handsome profit on the deal, sent it back to them and they sold it at a great price for me.
Charge them £20 an hour and you could also do well out of it. After all, you are the expert...
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2018, 07:00:56 AM »

It was only insured for £500, so they would not have to pay more than that in any case.     I don't think anyone else could repair it for £500, if at all.   I have asked two ship model repaire firms for a quote to give me an idea what to charge if I did it myself.   One of them did not even bother to reply.   The other (yesterday) said they would call me back, but so far, haven't!      Then there would be the added problem of what hapens if it was again damaged in delievery to me, and then out to Belgium again.   It was badly damaged on the way to Belgium, and it was considerably worse by the time it got back to me.    I will just keep nagging at them for the moment, but I still have no great faith in a satsifactory outcome.       I did once have one damaged on its way to Christie's via Interlink, but they just said they would only pay out on cost of materials to repair it.     Cost of materials was virtually nothing, but it took several hours work for which I got nothing at all, and returned the model myself via the train, where it sold for a less-than-average sum anyway.     
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2018, 10:25:37 AM »

Let us know how you go on Bob.
For your info, I have just started the hull on an HMS Victory. Only 6" long without bowsprit.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2018, 10:44:38 AM »

Something for anyone thinking of shipping goods for a living. You have to factor in your losses (incl. total losses) to your pricing strategy. Remember that if losses are part of the business, then they are part of your costs.
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2018, 11:04:45 AM »

After 31 years at sea, I quit the "rat race" in late 1992 and took voluntary redundancy.   Then, at the age of 48, I became self-employed as a mniature ship model builder.    That saw me through to retirement at the age of 62, after which it became a hobby once again, to which I have now added writing.     We did have a number  of damaged models over the years, but only one write-off.   The insurance (DHL) paid in full for the write-off, so 10 out of 10 to them.    But they would never carry anything else for us again after that.     Tried again a few years later, but they still would  not do it.     After that, there was a number of models with minor damage, and a compromise that the courier brought them back to us free.   I repaired for free, and they re-delivered free.     That worked for some years until they were taken over by another courier who would not "play ball!"       This one has been quite a shock to the system, prompting us to have peronal collection only from now on.The model ship repair company phoned this morning, and were very helpful.   They said that a professional repair would cost in the upper hundreds, maybe more than £1,000, and suggested I push for the full £500 it was insured for.The insurance has still not said a word, and it is now 20 days since I reported it.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2018, 07:24:41 PM »

Their final offer is to pay me £400.   But really it is only £330 because I paid £70 for the delivery.    Now I discover that I will have to pay income tax on the £400 refund that cuts it down to £250!    I have accepted because I want to but it all behind me.    No more couriers for me now.   personal collection only.FootskiBest of luck with the Victory.    Will be complicated at that scale, all those guns and fancy work.
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2018, 09:00:08 PM »

I don't blame you Bob. Victory is complex, but I have the hull carved and the stern work completed. Now moved onto the quarter galleries. So far so good, but slow going. Oh and I have made the main mast and main top which I am very pleased with.
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