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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2019, 08:55:35 PM »

A note for Kim & Arno.
I've never seen anyone notice this or report of doing anything to correct it?




If you draw the outline of the cabin when in the correct place and shaped to the deck. The cabin side walls have a mind of their own especially the starboard side here (left of the picture) I plan to fit an aluminium strip to both sides with bends where required.


EDIT its actually the right of picture that needs a kick imposing on it 


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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2019, 09:28:52 PM »

These are the critical points, I've fitted paxolin spacers and I will need more at the corners to prevent twisting.
A consequence of this is my beautifully contoured cabin needs more taking off to make up for the gap I now have at that point on the right





EDIT I had spare to play with as was still a little high on this side  :-))



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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2019, 11:14:12 AM »

Andy makes a good point here - when progressing at these points of a build it is definitely 'gently, gently catchy monkey'! In other words, a little at a time and always keep an open mind on the way forward you have chosen - the build is 'organic'. Believe me, I have taught Project Management up and down the country for the Cabinet Office in virtually every Government department -
  • confirm what needs to be done
  • make a plan to achieve this [this will constantly change]
  • manage the current plan
  • close the project.................for most people this will be when the 'orange and blue' paint is on the lifeboat and it's running around on the water!! Not when it's still in grey!
As for the the sides of the wheelhouse I have not got a problem with my one. That said, there are many ways to rectify this and even add some strength to the lower edge, just to make it more robust for the countless times it will taken off and on. There is even the chance to to add the little 'meniscus' joint to the deck surface, just like the real boat..................hmmm %% 
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2019, 01:38:20 PM »

As I see it the only way to stop the cabin being able to slide about is to prevent it mechanically


My first step solution is blocks of Paxolin which CA's in place easily and is waterproof and paintable





Now I can continue with filler then grind of the hatch





A meniscus is a good idea  :-)

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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2019, 05:17:56 PM »

I've gone on another tack for the hatch




Being very careful to make sure the Gel coats are level across the gaps


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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon. Cheap stand for transport display and building
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2019, 03:42:23 PM »

A good time to show pictures of the stand I copied from a friend MOXCY
40mm solvent weld waste pipe. I screwed some pieces rather than stuck so I can dismantle to replace the foam.


The T fitting is not equal so it's necessary to glue it inserted just far enough that you can maintain 90 degrees







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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2019, 09:56:23 PM »

After much agonising and corrective work I've come up with my personal set of stanchion locations. I'm sure these will vary from modeller to modeller with each of their own interpretations


The stanchions could act as fixings for the deck for those thinking of keeping it removable for refurbishment.

EDIT. The rear stretcher has been moved from Kim's 10.5" to 11.25"



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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2019, 08:45:09 PM »

A few bits done today including my first ever 3D structure from styrene  {-)  from little acorns grow!


The life raft housing.
I've used Deluxe material fusion adhesive to bond it to the GRP








Admiral putty to finish off  ready for final primer



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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2019, 09:10:11 PM »

Hi, Fantastic build as usual!
I have a bit of a controversial question - not looking to cause trouble - but as you have both the speedline and MBD shannons, which is more accurately made in terms of hull and superstructure shape etc or are they both fairly similar?
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2019, 09:16:54 PM »

...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2019, 09:17:36 PM »

That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2019, 09:19:54 PM »

...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


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Caught me out there  {-)   Squadron putty  O0
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2019, 09:22:42 PM »

That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


Thanks  :-)

Interesting - I thought that would be the case! Enjoy the build, I will be watching with interest!
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2019, 09:31:11 PM »

Regarding the life raft housing. I've not filed the opening out to the top line on the moulding as I think it is too near the top edge. The Diamond shaped fitting for the safety line anchorage has to fit between at a later point. I have made the back box full size so I can file the top line further up if needs be whenever. Of course I've had to fill the front face too
If you look at the picture further back before cutting you may see what I mean

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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2019, 09:56:40 PM »




....It's just not a "pretty" boat by any means is it!  Such is the way with Naval Architecture now.


LoL on the "Squadron".  Reminds me we used to work with lots of ex-military guys offshore, they all had ranks that continued affectionately "if" earned offshore, nobody earned "Admiral" but we had some "Napoleons" LoL.
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2019, 09:58:31 PM »

Must be Marmite I love the boat completely especially sailing her  :-)
I'm supposed to be finishing her but the MBD has taken over for now
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2019, 10:09:19 PM »

Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2019, 10:13:52 PM »

Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{


Heck I thought yours would be finished by now  %%  but I know life gets in the way and I'm a prime example but retirement is helping and I do have two boats with "practical completion"  {-)  even if they don't have lights  ;D


Please give us some pictures when you can! so we know what's achievable   :-)) 
P.S. You can email me some if you like and I'll post them up  :-)
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2019, 11:27:38 PM »

For those starting out full of questions I thought it might be helpful to discuss brass rod.
For the big stuff i.e. the bow and stern railings I use 1/8 or 3.18mm some other builders use 3.5mm
For the grab rails etc I use 2.7mm and I donít know that others use different
The only smaller rod is the grab rails on the bow and Iíd suggest 2mm
For the stanchions I also use 3.18mm but this will accept a serviceable 3.5mm thread so my stanchions are fastened to the deck with nuts


Nothing is set in stone so do what you feel is right.


If I really get stuck in I might manage 2 stanchions per day as a guide so don't think its a race. Take your time and if its not right recycle it.


Some use styrene instead but that's not my choice
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2019, 07:36:52 AM »

Absolutely love that colour on the Shannon. How on earth do you make those stanchions and railings? That's some serious modelling.
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2019, 09:45:26 AM »

Hi Marty thanks
The colour is mainly primer. I only assembled it temporarily to sail her at Wicksteed park Mayhem meet.
I'll do my best as I progress to illustrate how I make the railings and stanchions



As this is slow motion I find it best played at maximum speed. Credit to Martin  8)
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2019, 11:49:45 PM »

For those who want to invest more into their build you can rev up standard supplied parts with luxury bits quite easily.
Many including myself buy bolts of various sizes from this company in Germany



This towing bollard is an ideal example. Cut off the cast heads and remark to drill with one of these Archimedes drills



I've tapped these 1.6mm and fitted the bolts for the photo



When finally painted black they really stand out as extra detail



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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2019, 10:36:09 AM »

Morning Andy, Watching your MBD Shannon build with interest!! :-))
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2019, 11:06:21 AM »

Hi Andy,

Good to see you're soldiering on with your builds -
you'll need to buy shares in a plastic cement manufacturer when you start Maggie M !

Thought about enquiring when you flagged up your nice looking Expo Archimedes on Portgarth build -
is it ok? certainly looks good quality - reason for asking -
I've bought various El'cheapo Archimedes over the years and been disappointed with the inaccuracy of the centering,
wobbly etc - end up using my trusty pin vice (but it's hard work and slow if you have lots of holes to make).

I'm following all the Shannon builds with great interest (will build one myself one day),
you have my sympathies with the rear access hatch problem - I cannot see an obvious answer,
but beginning to appreciate the method in Adrians madness with the lift off deck !

Wondering - are the existing moulded hatches (even if they could be made operational - a tricky job)
in the correct position above to allow access to the gubbins below ?  Guessing not ??

How about a complete lift off rear deck section a la Speedline -
loose the bulk of join line under the back of the cabin, you'll have an obvious join line on the port side deck,
loose the other join line through the side hatch on the starboard deck,
whole of the back deck lifts off !

Now is this a possibility? does it gain any advantage??  is it dooable??? etc etc I know not,
a bit of outside the box thinking - chuck one in the mix might spark an idea.

regards Paul
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Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2019, 01:58:46 PM »

Hi Chris in Birmigham  :-)


Hi Paul
The rear hatches don't need to work so long as I can remove them (magnets)
I don't think the whole rear deck could be made to work with the fenders. For now I'm doing nothing until Victor comes up with the goods, until I have the parts fitted I don't know exactly where I need to get a screwdriver or Allen key.
I have always liked the removable deck and it was a major selling point but I would not want the MBD to be the same, or there would be no interest for me in building this and there are other advantages to a removable cabin. I would like to have seen Andy's windows in the Speedline a much better affair IMHO.
I find the hand drill to be fine  :-)


Thanks for your ideas





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