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Ketch vs Schooner
« on: November 07, 2018, 02:55:33 PM »

Hi again, after looking I have decided on a 2 masted square rigger, I have located 2 hulls
1 is a ketch and 1 is a schooner. What would be the best option for a boat that sail,s well.


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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 01:30:20 AM »

They both sail well.
Historic boats seem to show more Schooners, modern boats more Ketches.


In the real world, a ketch is easier to sail as you can easily drop the mizzen, or only use the mizzen depending on conditions. Not so easy with a schooner. Having said that, you may need to drop the mizzen on a ketch to sail close to the wind.


On a model, there are many considerations.
One is how it looks. Historic sailing ketches tend to have a much smaller mizzen than main, which is a less appealing look, in my mind. This is not always the case, but needs to be considered when choosing your sail plan. On more modern ketches they can be similar sized (if the foremast is well forward).
Connected to this, and for sailing, you can add more sail to a schooner by adding triangular topsails, if gaff rigged, and a square topsail on the fore if you so desire.
A schooner will sail closer to the wind more easily. Sometimes on a small lake, it makes a difference if you can tack in tighter spaces, instead of wearing.
Access to the RC gubbins below deck. In plan view (from above) sketch out your sail plan, including the placement of the standing and running rigging. Work out the size of your deck hatches, and think about how easy it will be to put your hand in to change batteries, switch switches, and even remove components if you need to.


Also. There is no reason why you should not use a schooner hull for a ketch and visa versa. In the real world, ships often changed their mast and sail plans over time.

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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2018, 12:43:59 PM »

I'd always go for a schooner as to my eye they look better!
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2018, 01:26:17 PM »


Hello,


Build a Schooner !!!!!!!!!!.
I built one over 30 years ago - - - still going strong !!.


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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2018, 04:45:19 PM »

I'd always go for a schooner as to my eye they look better!

i resemble that remark...

as you can see, this ketch is much fatter - not nearly as sleek as John's schooner.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2018, 06:46:56 PM »

Best of show, the judges must have liked it, the schooner is way too big, for me anyway.


Thanks for your input towards my winter project


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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2018, 06:56:44 PM »

Best of show, the judges must have liked it, the schooner is way too big, for me anyway.


Thanks for your input towards my winter project


John


schooners come in all sizes... not just "big"...
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2018, 07:39:48 PM »

i resemble that remark...

as you can see, this ketch is much fatter - not nearly as sleek as John's schooner.


The Colin Archers more of a yawl.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2018, 08:30:31 PM »


The Colin Archers more of a yawl.


according to the informational notes in the instruction manual, its a ketch...


but, this being my one and only r/c scale sailboat, i have no idea what makes a ketch a ketch vs any other type of boat.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2018, 12:58:21 AM »

[size=0pt]Both the yawl and the ketch [/size][size=0pt]have two masts, with the main mast foremost. The acknowledged distinction, particularly for yachts with overhanging sterns and inboard rudders, is that a ketch has the mizzen mast forward of the rudder post, whereas on a yawl, it is aft of the rudder post.[/size]
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2018, 01:13:00 AM »

Fatness has more to do with the length of hull of the original boat. Smaller working/fishing boats will always appear fat (especially double enders). If modelling a ship, it will be better to choose a hull for what would have been a ship, rather than a boat.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2018, 02:20:09 AM »

rudder post on the colin archer is way aft of the mizzen mast...  it is mounted to the "transom" of the boat....  and even at the base of the keel, the rudder hinge is 3 inches aft of the mizzen mast.


thanks for the definition, it definitely proves what kind of boat the archer is.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2018, 12:39:41 PM »

I've started a Billings Colin Archer and have put it in the "too difficult box" for the time being :(( However I still have my Robbe Atlantis that's a wonderful yacht to sail.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2018, 06:10:55 PM »

I've started a Billings Colin Archer and have put it in the "too difficult box" for the time being :(( However I still have my Robbe Atlantis that's a wonderful yacht to sail.

mine only took about 10 years, and throwing out the instruction manual once it came to rigging the sails....  blindly following hand drawn color separations of individual lines on the plans.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2018, 10:14:08 PM »

Oh dear my formatting has gone awry!
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2018, 10:56:55 PM »

mine only took about 10 years, and throwing out the instruction manual once it came to rigging the sails....  blindly following hand drawn color separations of individual lines on the plans.


Do yo have any more photos? Especially under the deck, sail control etc.
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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 02:07:19 PM »

Hi guys, taking the advice given I have taken the plunge and ordered a schooner hull with plans
From MBD. The model plans are for an MA James drawn by David Macgregar.
Has anyone built one of these as a square rigger or brigantine? If so any advice at all
would be very welcome.


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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 04:09:54 PM »


Hello,


Just to tempt you to build a Schooner !!!.


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Re: Ketch vs Schooner
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 09:34:14 PM »

Hi Jaydee what a nice boat.


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