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Voyager

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Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« on: September 25, 2007, 01:55:11 AM »

I purchased this model off ebay the other week, needed a distraction from my other build the Tsekoa II. The chap i purchased it from only likes building models, so this model was one of those unfinished shelf queens ::) I'm currently fixing a crack in the keel, painting the rudder and assembly. The wooden fittngs were untreated so i've gone over the deck and other wooden parts with satin Ronseal varnish, I also repainted the inside of the ventilators, life rings, ladder steps, fire buckets. It's all coming along nicely, replacing the standard plastic prop with a brass one from Prop-Shop, need to get some woven side fenders which should set things off. A friend of mine Lez kindly supplied a motor for her, not sure what it is but to me it looks German made so should be good!
I also have a Graupner 12v smoke unit that i received the other day, still not had a chance to fit it in as yet. The power will come from a 12v 2.8amp battery which should help out with the ballasting. I still have work on the outer hull to finish that off, need to remove the trimline tape and hand paint the water line.

...Oh, if your wondering why it's got a Welsh flag on her? Well, I'm renaming her Severn Pilots instead of Clyde.

As Bob Marley would say..."It's all in de roots mann"
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 02:07:20 AM »

That's actually turning into a really good looking model.  I saw that one on Ebay and was tempted but then I thought of the list of models I have and how I was going to get the idea past her ladyship and I didn't bother.

I'm glad you've made such a nice job of finishing it off, I'm sure she will look very smart on the water and handle as good as she looks as well.
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 02:47:18 AM »

Thanks Bunkerbarge ;)

The guy did a superb job of building her! All i'm doing is bringing her up to speed so to speak, all those years on the shelf and not a lake in sight...tut..tut ::)

I'll keep you up to date, can't wait to get her wet ;D


Had one more picture i couldn't fit in the first posting....
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 10:23:47 AM »

You should find that she handles very well going ahead but I've never got mine to steer in reverse despite trying different props. I should be interested to hear how your's goes backwards!
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2007, 03:14:46 PM »

I'm itching to try her out :P Still, good things come to those who wait!

I'll let you know about the handling Colin, It wouldn't surprise me if it does the same as yours. I've had a number of models over the years, my Moderator never steered in reverse either. Can't quite work that out really, It's a scale model of the real thing, but i'm sure the full size vessel doesn't encounter reverse steering problems!?
Mind you, I don't think the laws of physics apply to scale models? I've seen models of a Euro Typhoon, F117 etc fly with a jet turbine without any computers aiding the flight! Yet the full size versions requires numerous back up computers and fly by wire electronics to keep it in the air!? Work that one out if you can???
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007, 05:41:42 PM »

I'm itching to try her out :P Still, good things come to those who wait!

I'll let you know about the handling Colin, It wouldn't surprise me if it does the same as yours. I've had a number of models over the years, my Moderator never steered in reverse either. Can't quite work that out really, It's a scale model of the real thing, but i'm sure the full size vessel doesn't encounter reverse steering problems!?
Mind you, I don't think the laws of physics apply to scale models? I've seen models of a Euro Typhoon, F117 etc fly with a jet turbine without any computers aiding the flight! Yet the full size versions requires numerous back up computers and fly by wire electronics to keep it in the air!? Work that one out if you can???
Why not consider that in going astern the rudder is acting as the ship and the ship is acting as a rudder? Single screw ships in real life are bloody difficult to get going to where you want them to go! Nothing new there.
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007, 05:47:42 PM »

That's one way of looking at it :-\ On the other hand, I once owned a Dusseldorf, that had four rudders and two props, that would steer well going backwards like it did going forwards!? I'm still confused ???
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007, 06:03:05 PM »


Why not consider that in going astern the rudder is acting as the ship and the ship is acting as a rudder? Single screw ships in real life are bloody difficult to get going to where you want them to go! Nothing new there.

I can't claim any hands-on big ship experience, but I had an interesting conversation a few years ago with a retired Clyde Tugmaster. I was sailing a model of the Milford Haven tug Eskgarth, which I could never get to steer going astern, most models I've had weren't easy, but this one was especially difficult. A bystander introduced himself as one time Master of the Clyde tug Campaigner, which was a lengthened version of Eskgarth, and he told me that the full-size version was little better. According to him, the way they used to do it was to creep astern, see which way the boat wanted to go, then bang in opposite rudder to keep it straight, varying the amount of helm as needed. Like I said, I have no full size ship experience other than as a passenger, so "Avast and belay there!", apologies if I haven't used all the right nautical terms.
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Re: Never sailed Cumbrae shelf queen receiving a touch of TLC!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 02:44:53 PM »

I have driven numerous vessels in my career and the only vessel which would steer straight astern or ahead were voith Schneider vessels and Kort nozzle rudder fitted vessels. The only single screw vessel that went astern with me was the Goldeneye a MoD salvage vessel of the wild duck class. To make her steer you had to get Stern way on then stop the prop, with her large rudder and small screw you could get some reasonable control. Vessel's with large screws like tugs forget it, it was then helm hard to starboard then full astern, as soon as she veered to port, it was hard to port and a violent burst to stop the veer and repeat the hard starboard etc.
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