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Any chance of a whip round to buy this ?
« on: April 06, 2019, 01:17:07 pm »




  Not just a book but an archive of all the original stuff that went into it..  12 page inventory of the archived material available on request.

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The Archive of Dr Oscar Parkes (1885-1958) Author of British Battleships 1860-1950 "Warrior" 1860 to "Vanguard" 1950 A History of Design, Construction and Armament.Parkes (Dr Oscar.)Published by 1919-1958 (1919)

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: A detailed 12 page description of this archive is available upon request. original archive contained in seventy-three large albums and binders presented in both typescript and manuscript form, including filed correspondence from a number of colleagues: J.J. Colledge, Lt Cdr P. Kemp, G.A. Osbon, J. Lenton, Cdr R.H. Mandley, D. Trimmingham, W.P. Trotter, and other specialists. A 12 page description is available on request. Although Parkes reputation is based on his work British Battleships he assembled a great deal of reference material outside the period 1860-1950. Indeed, it would appear that he was contemplating the publication of a List of Ships of the Royal Navy 1820-1860, thus pre-dating the above work. Whilst the albums provide coverage of the ships of the Royal Navy for the period 1500-1958, they effectively concentrate on the years 1800-1945. Details of vessels are given usually by class or type, with name, tonnage, horse power, speed, length, beam, draught, hull, armament, etc. In addition, where required there is coverage of radar, searchlights, machinery and boilers, speed, fuel and radius, loss or disposal, general comments, along with very detailed notes. Finally, there are a number of albums created by colleagues of Dr Parkes, including an unpublished history of HMS Vanguard by W.P. Trotter (2 vols), manuscript notes by Guy Hall, and a series of unpublished studies by Cdr R.H. Mandley. Dr Parkes was a worthy successor to Fred Jane and his British Battleships still stands the test of time and is a monument to his skill as an historian and writer. AJS: Dr Oscar Parkes MD. (1885-1958), medical practitioner, marine artist, pianist, yachtsman, photograph collector, and author. During the First World War he served in the Royal Navy as a temporary surgeon lieutenant and in 1918 was attached to the Naval Intelligence Division in the Admiralty, serving under Ad Sir Reginald Hall, as a naval artist and director of the photographic section of the Imperial War Museum. From his boyhood he had been fascinated by warships, particularly their design and appearance, and over time amassed a vast knowledge of the warships of all nations. He first met Fred Jane, the editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, in 1900 at the age of 15 and kept up regular contact with him, exchanging technical information and drawings. Fred Jane died in 1916 and in 1918 Parkes was invited to become joint editor with M. Prendergast of Jane's Fighting Ships (1919-21), then sole editor (1922-23), joint editor again with F. McMurtrie (1924-29), and finally sole editor (1930-34). Parkes brought all his great energy and enthusiasm to the editing and production of Jane's Fighting Ships. Indeed, in the large edition of 1919 he introduced the publishers to page-long blocks illustrating the Renown and the Furious, the forerunners of many other fine large pictures. In 1957 he published British Battleships 1860-1950 "Warrior" 1860 to "Vanguard" 1950 A History of Design, Construction and Armament, a magnificently detailed and authoritative account of every British battleship from the Warrior of 1860 to the Vanguard of 100 years later. He also wrote and illustrated many articles on a variety of naval subjects. NB: This archive requires careful packing, please ask for a quotation for shipping to your address. Seller Inventory # 9677[/size][size=78%]
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Re: Any chance of a whip round to buy this ?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2019, 01:40:04 pm »

Hopefully should go to the National Maritime Museum.
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Re: Any chance of a whip round to buy this ?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 01:51:06 pm »

Hopefully should go to the National Maritime Museum.
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 It should , but they would want it donated and would then charge anyone who wanted to view it £50
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Re: Any chance of a whip round to buy this ?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 02:40:13 pm »

 
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It should , but they would want it donated and would then charge anyone who wanted to view it £50

That is a bit unfair.

In 2017 I visited the NMM archive at Woolwich with a friend who was researching a particular warship. The visit cost us nothing and we spent around 2 hours making notes and taking photos of the plans and ohotos. The curator was very helpful.

I am currently arranging a further visit in respect of a future project of my own and again I don't expect any charge to be made.

The problem is that to get full coverage you will probably need lines plan, profile, deck plans and maybe a rigging plan. These are often drawn to 1:48 scale on separate sheets which for a medium size ship can be around 3m long.

We spent some time talking to the curator who explained that digitising and reproducing plans of this size which are frequently in a fragile condition is expensive and the NMM is not seeking to make a profit but must cover its costs. He suggests that it is always best to visit if at all possible before ordering although many people are not in a position to do that obviously.

When a plan is digitised it can be provided as a high definition jpeg file which means you should be able to take it to a local copy shop and get it printed out at the size you need rather than buying the 3m version from the NMM.

In the case of the ship I am currently researching I already have 1:1200 waterline plans from Model Boats plus a couple of dozen detailed photos of the builder's model of the ship which used to be on display in the Science Museum.

So, I think that I may be able to simply photograph the body plan to confirm the lines and probably the rigging plan as well. This means that I may only need to order the profile and deck plans with a bit of luck and I may not even need those if I take a lot of photos. If so then the two plans will cost £150 which is a fair bit of dosh but probalby acceptable tor a two year scale model project. OK, there is the cost of getting up there but, hey, it's an interesting day out and last time we got to ride the Thames cablecar!

Taking inflation into account that is a fair bit less than I paid for two smallish sheets for my Isle of Wight ferry Shanklin back in 1981.

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Re: Any chance of a whip round to buy this ?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2019, 11:49:26 am »

  OK a cynical "Old Git" I might be, but knowing that Dr Oscar Parkes vast archive of battleship photographs is in the care of the Imperial War Museum I keep pondering if this archive has also been donated but are being disposed of as not fitting in with the stated "Collections Policy " ? The Bookseller is next door to the NMM.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2019, 12:23:55 pm »

It is very hard to find a safe place for a lot of archival material these days.

A while back I was in the situation of trying to find a suitable home for ex Model Boat's Editor John Cundell's complete set of Model Maker/Model Boats magazines dating back to 1950 as he no longer had room for them. They ended up in my garage while I made enquiries. I had hoped that the Brunel Institute might take them as they have the Norman Ough and David MaGregor plans collections but they said that their plans were on the back of other material and that keeping model making records were not part of their collection policy.

Eventually with the help of Dave Wooley we found a home for the magazines in the British Waterways Museum at Ellesmere Port who were initially very happy to have them and would make them available on request and we arranged to get them up there. However with subsequent management policy changes at the Museum I rather suspect that enthusiasm has dimmed and that the boxes of magazines are simply stacked up somewhere out of sight. If so it is a great shame as the only other complete set I know of was held by the publishers and this appears to have been largely lost with a sequence of changes of ownership and offices. It is no good giving collections to individuals as any likely recipients will be getting on in years and the material could easily end up in a skip some years down the line.

The big problem of course is that such records are becoming less and less of general interest as time passes except to a relatively few enthusiasts. One reason why the fantastic collection of ship models in th Science Museum went into storage. They were taking up a lot of space but hardly anybody actually visited them.

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