Topic: Midwest Boothbay Lobster boat 30" build (Read 69890 times)

Delboy1958 · « **Reply #500 on:** March 07, 2020, 12:24:38 pm »

Hi Dave
So as midwest no longer make RC kits since they were bought out
could you use your drafting skills and get Selec to do a kit to add to there
range of Aerokits wodden models.

Regards

Derek

DaveM · « **Reply #501 on:** March 07, 2020, 01:41:09 pm »

I can always ask*. The drafting part is simple but I'd need a set of plans. Over to you, Mr Waters

DM
*E-Mail and link to this thread have just been sent to The Man at SLEC. We'll see.

Taranis · « **Reply #502 on:** March 07, 2020, 02:11:24 pm »

I had hoped they would have done that. I don't see an issue there are no copyrights on the packaging or drawings and Midwest will not answer emails regarding this.

Taranis · « **Reply #503 on:** March 07, 2020, 02:21:08 pm »

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z6xinoskgsrwxj/Lobster%20boat%201.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q42gwiy0zcm0ujv/Lobster%20boat%202.jpg?dl=0

DaveM · « **Reply #504 on:** March 07, 2020, 03:28:06 pm »

Cheers, m'duck!
DM

redpmg · « **Reply #505 on:** March 07, 2020, 04:39:14 pm »

There might well be an issue with copyright with use for commercial purposes - Dodgy who created the Old Boats and EeZeBilt websites (among others) asked for permission to publish the Midwest plans - despite Midwest telling him that they had no intention of re- issuing the kits they would not give permission to do so . So please be careful here . There are a lot of their plans already on file but this Lobster Boat and the Dinghy are not among them hence the earlier request. The smaller model is however , as is the Freedom Song small version which is very similar - being the own brand kit of Ted Stinson who designed most of the Midwest models, as well as most of the Laughing Whale / Bluejacket ones. He sadly passed away in 2018 and Freedom Song kits & plans are also no longer available.
We would be grateful for for any of those plans in digital format which could be published on the Old Boats website once copyright has expired when the plans/kits are no longer available commercially for a certain length of time.

SailorGreg · « **Reply #506 on:** March 07, 2020, 06:36:38 pm »

You do have to look hard at high magnification, but there is a copyright symbol in the box at lower right on page 2 (underneath "Approved by Frank Garcher"). Although if Midwest won't respond to questions what is one to do?

Greg

Taranis · « **Reply #507 on:** March 07, 2020, 06:40:20 pm »

Very many people have those drawings indeed they were emailed to me originally . I dare say unless someone starts making serious money they will not bother their ****

DaveM · « **Reply #508 on:** March 07, 2020, 07:34:44 pm »

Rather begs the question about how you copyright a scale model of a full-size boat. Do you make it as exact as you can, and therefore risk someone else being as accurate, pernickety and maybe litiginous; or do you introduce a deliberate error which distinguishes it as your own work but makes it "un-scale"?
Fortunately very few folk make a living out of model boat kits - well, too few to bother a sizeable US company which is probably owned and run by lawyers and/or cost-accountants anyway.
Trust me - I wrote the book!
DaveM

chum444 · « **Reply #509 on:** March 07, 2020, 09:46:50 pm »

Display of the Copyright symbol means the copyright is filed with the U.S. Library of Congress. As such any infringement in the U.S. could result in legal action. I don’t know how U.S. copyrights are treated in Europe; are they treated somewhat like patents per the Paris Agreement? Copying the plans and building a scratch model for one’s personal use might not be actionable, I am not sure. However, selling even one could result in litigation assuming a U.S. copyright enjoys protection in foreign countries.

A complex issue for certain.

Taranis · « **Reply #510 on:** March 07, 2020, 09:50:50 pm »

It just needs the current Midwest owners to get off their backside and make it clear whether they retain an interest and let the model world get on with it

DaveM · « **Reply #511 on:** March 07, 2020, 10:39:21 pm »

Quote from: Taranis on March 07, 2020, 09:50:50 pm

It just needs the current Midwest owners to get off their backside and make it clear whether they retain an interest and let the model world get on with it

Good luck with that. I'll not hold my breath. Like I said, however, a model of a prototype to scale is impossible to copyright absolutely. If I had a pound for every 1/5 scale model of a Spitfire I'd ever seen then I could buy a very decent round of drinks.

DM

Taranis · « **Reply #512 on:** March 07, 2020, 10:49:15 pm »

For myself its not a concern as I own THREE

DaveM · « **Reply #513 on:** March 10, 2020, 10:27:23 am »

*E-Mail and link to this thread have just been sent to The Man at SLEC. We'll see.

The word is that "perhaps we will have a talk about this when we get nearer the time for the next project". In the meantime my thanks to Redpmg for his wise advice and other contributions.
DaveM

Taranis · « **Reply #514 on:** June 09, 2020, 05:19:58 pm »

During the build of the Billings boats Boulogne Etaples in my craft room with the lobster boat in the back ground I am stirred to build the smaller version of the Booth Bay that I bought by accident. This at 3/4" to the foot would be 1/16 scale.

The 1/12 scale behind is far far bigger than the 1/20 scale Boulogne in the foreground

Taranis · « **Reply #515 on:** September 09, 2020, 11:00:28 pm »

I've just been trying to tidy my photo galleries when I found this from my phone and realised I never posted it. Not very good resolution but I think captures a suitable plane.

Taranis · « **Reply #516 on:** August 03, 2021, 07:43:34 pm »

Whoever bought my plans from this build via Stan, I'm always happy to answer questions if I can where the photos don't quite do it.
Enjoy your build of this lovely classic model

Taranis · « **Reply #517 on:** August 17, 2021, 04:41:27 pm »

Long overdue but I decided I should at least have ONE finished boat

and this is the easiest to complete.

Navigation side lights

Painting in progress.....

Decisions 🧐

Three location options 🤔

Taranis · « **Reply #518 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:40:26 pm »

Decision made. I will fit them above the mahogany strip shown here rather than below. Fitted picture after tea

Taranis · « **Reply #519 on:** August 17, 2021, 07:58:59 pm »

My very first 100% build

1:12 scale is so nice

Rhodeislander · « **Reply #520 on:** October 29, 2021, 11:48:50 pm »

Hi,So after viewing this thread late night, I stopped by Ebay and saw a 24" version new in the box. I bought it and its on its way. 110 us, seemed reasonable.Currently building an MFA Spear, i cannot find any info on this kit. I very new at all this so your build will help me greatly.Side note: My grandfather built Lobster boats, real ones. launched on a rail track. The unique this was this was in Rhode Island, town of Cranston. He then delivered them as far north as Bar harbour Maine. Imagine that trip in the late 40's? No radar, gps, etc.Bud

Taranis · « **Reply #521 on:** October 29, 2021, 11:52:24 pm »

Interesting, I have the smaller kit also that I bought by mistake while searching for this one.

Enjoy

Rhodeislander · « **Reply #522 on:** October 30, 2021, 01:40:54 am »

I think this may be a different model even still?Trying to post pic, may work, may not.Say's 24" on box, model

Rhodeislander · « **Reply #523 on:** October 30, 2021, 01:42:01 am »

One more time.

Taranis · « **Reply #524 on:** October 30, 2021, 07:40:26 am »

It’s the smaller static display model exactly the same boat downsized. https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62915.msg692774.html#msg692774
Should be easy enough to make it RC

A difference I have noticed is mine says hull length and yours says overall length which includes the sail boom but same model produced a different year.

I have this kit too gathering dust.

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