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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2021, 05:23:03 pm »

Probably the final additions were the two sheer poles that run along the tops of the deadeyes on either side.  They are a nice detail and they help to keep the deadeyes facing outwards as well.  I found that household bamboo skewers were the right diameter, as well as being lightweight and strong, so I cut some of these to length and stained them with a suitable dark woodstain.  They were then sewn on to the rigging above each deadeye.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2021, 09:23:19 am »

Hi Lakar I am really enjoying this thread, right up my street.  I agree the deadeyes with the sheer poles look good.

Thought you might like this anecdote.  I was on a dive boat in Thailand 4 years ago.  The Captain had a third share in the boat and was French but spoke English.  The boat was a fishing boat and he bought it part built on the stocks and had it lengthened by a third, for passenger accomodation.
There were just 12 of us passengers and 14 crew on the boat for a week in the Andaman Sea, so lots of contact with crew.  After getting to know him and finding out the origins, the boat was new but 'aged' with old fittings.  I drew him to oneside and said all his 'deadeyes' were upside down.
 
He said they do not do anything, just there to look pretty.  His words were to 'Add Character'.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2021, 09:28:30 pm »

Thanks Roy and it sounds like you had an interesting trip.  Strange about the captain not realising the deadeyes were upside down, and it sounds as though the shipyard that built his boat didn't know either!  I like anything on a model that works like the full-size article and it's nice to be able to tension the shrouds using the lanyards and deadeyes.  I have a model Thames Barge in 1/24th scale which has much smaller deadeyes, but they are rigged the same way and work just as well.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2021, 06:21:26 am »

Many thanks for sharing this. It looks a superb model and like your approach to make it practicable for sailing. Am new to model boating and am considering a Marguerite hull from Sarik
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2021, 09:08:05 am »

Hi Laker quite a few years ago we had a very very long running series on building the SS Great Brittain with all those masts.  When the guy had finished the rigging he realised he had put all the deadeyes in wrongly.  He was frustrated but to undo so much work was not going to happen.

As it happened we were preparing our own club stand at the ME exhibition when he arrived to show the model for the first time and I went across to help him move it on to his stand very nice model and most would never know the error.
I sometimes wonder how much time should be spent on a model and where to draw the line.  There used to be a stand off scale competition and I would subscribe more to that.  With your Eliza Rose there is nice crisp woodwork and simple presentation.  She looks good on the water and responds well.

Maybe an ancient looking gent at the tiller would add a little character but that is all.  After that you would have to choose wood which had the same grain effect as the full size and then it all gets a bit obscure.
From what I have seen of clothed figures on model boats they are best avoided.

Most people get the ropes wrong if it is not in use put it somewhere safe.
A couple of years ago I was sailing with my son and we were coming into moor up at his jetty sails down with the 40 HP engine and against tide and wind.  We were on his 40 foot yacht I was at the starboard side by the shouds ready to catch a loop around the wood pile support for the jetty.  About 10 feet away the engine stopped and would not start.  He beared away and quickly unfurled the genoa sail and we picked up speed across the rather fast running tide.

We were positioned about half a mile from the 'Rip' bridge where the water nearly doubles its speed and the mast is too high to go under the bridge.  We were being swept down towards it but we were making ground and getting across the tide, we tacked twice just on the fore sail and then he sailed us exactly to where I could catch a loop again.  It was an expertly done bit of seamanship!

This all happened because someone up stream carelessly let a 40 foot polythene mooring rope fall off their boat!  His Beneteau yacht has two rudders so that an entangled propeller does not affect using the rudders, if it had been a single rudder we may well have lost the yacht as it smashed its way under the bridge!
The next day at low tide he donned his face mask and with a sharp knife cut away the rope which had stretched and melted to quite a thin shape until it was all done.  We then had two unequal lengths of good quality rope. 

I found some whipping twine, trimmed the rope and whipped the frayed ends and presented him with one decent mooring rope and a shorter one which we never found a use for.  So ropes are always secured even when about to use them and mooring ropes are stored in lockers.
If you want to identify the area, it is in Australia, north of Sydney at the Broken Bay entry leading to Brisbane Water which is under the bridge.  The water is about 250 metres wide at this point and a strong tide runs up and down.  We have to time our arrival as the draft of the yacht needs a full tide to navigate the winding channel to the sea.  I would be there now but for covid!

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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #80 on: February 12, 2021, 02:56:52 pm »

Just to reply to Andy - great to hear from someone new to the hobby and I hope you continue to build a cutter model.  I took a look at the Marguerite on Sarik's site and it looks an elegant hull, with the more traditional counter stern.  I met David Alderton once too - his models are quite well known, especially here in the West country.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #81 on: February 12, 2021, 03:11:14 pm »

Hello Roy and thanks for the feedback.  It's funny how after spending so long looking at a model you stop seeing things.  In my case I'm sure I intended to tidy up the loose ends of the rigging at some point but I have never got beyond coiling them up on the deck.  I will look into it and perhaps fasten them to the pinrails.

Likewise I did intend putting a figure in the cockpit (perhaps a removable figure, because my wife isn't keen on the idea!).  I too am wary of figures fitted with real cloth clothing.  I will have another look at the mouldings available but I will need something fairly lightweight.  It's certainly true that people notice the crew models on boats and ships when they're sailing.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2021, 11:40:21 am »

I think that pretty much brings us to the end of building ‘Eliza Rose’.  If you have made it this far then thank you and I hope you have enjoyed it!  She has turned out as well as I hoped, making a pretty model to display and sail although not finished to a museum standard.  She has proved to be robust enough to de-rig and re-assemble many times over and she has been displayed many times at various model exhibitions in the West Country.  I think she has been sailed about 50 times now and she’s clocked up about 60 hours on the water, sometimes sailing for a couple of hours at a time. 
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2021, 11:44:56 am »

I’m very much looking forward to sailing again – hopefully we will be allowed to use the lakes again in the Spring?  I will try to get some better sailing photos of Eliza Rose to post here when the opportunity comes.  I have quite a few photos of her on the water like this one from May 2013 but most of these are more what I would call ‘floating’ than sailing.  This is probably because I had to take the pictures while I was sailing her and holding the transmitter.  I will see if I can get some help with photography, in which case hopefully I can post some pictures of her heeling in the breeze and making some wake.   In the meantime, it’s Valentine’s Day so I suppose I should finish this and pay some attention to my wife!  All the best everyone and keep on building.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2021, 12:29:10 pm »

Many thanks for a detailed record, it’s very useful, helpful and encouraging
I’ve ordered a Moonbeam kit as my first build and once learnt through this, will then look again at a Pilot Cutter hull.


Reading through various articles/posts many people mention “epoxy” but never confirm which type. I currently sail a “full size” boat and have had good success with West Epoxy for wood to GRP but wondered what others use?
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2021, 01:10:34 pm »

Hi Andy you have a PM.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2021, 09:16:02 pm »

Hello Andy - probably the best advice is to look under 'Technical, Techniques, hints and tips' on this Forum - there is a whole section there on GRP and Epoxy with dozens of threads.  When I did the glassfibre reinforcement of the deck braces etc. for Eliza Rose I used "David's Fastglas Resin and Hardener" which probably came from Halfords.  It did the job and none of the joints have failed but I seem to remember it setting quite quickly so there wasn't much time to work with it.  If I was starting again now I would probably buy one of the specialist modelling 2-part epoxy mixes that are available.  For smaller epoxy tasks such as gluing the brass hinge fittings onto the rudder I used Araldite - I used both the 24hr and quick setting versions on this build in various places.
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Re: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter Build – ‘Eliza Rose’
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2021, 09:45:23 pm »

Thanks
Advice much appreciated
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