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HMS Marshall Soult
« on: February 18, 2020, 06:39:14 PM »

Anyone built Sarik Hobbies HMS Marshal Soult, might be my next build
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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2020, 01:32:47 PM »

Whilst I have not built one I'm pretty sure I have seen one and it does appear to make up into a very nice model. If I recall correctly i thought the 15" gun barrels were too thin and the plan picture seems to confirm this which is why I'm pretty sure it comes from that plan.


With a single turret you can readily get the guns to fire as well (see Iron Duke thread how to).


I think they make interesting models albeit I believe the real ones were under-powered and slow and not particularly reliable but still an interesting model and I have been thinking about one myself.


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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2020, 03:05:41 PM »

Being a monitor, is that why the gun seems very high above the deck, did this not create a stability issue when fired, assuming the guns equipment was stored in the body under the guns
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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2020, 03:21:06 PM »

I have a book on Monitors and Soult had a diesel engine which wasnt powerful enough. (thats why she had a small funnel, she didnt need the draught) She was a pig to steer and rammed quite a few ships in her time.
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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2020, 04:07:15 PM »

Warspite




You should see the underwater bulges! There is no way that she would have stability problems whilst firing her gun! ok2
I have a modified model of Marshall Soult which I believe is based upon the Sarik plans and she sails very flat and smooth- definitely doesn’t rock!
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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2020, 05:14:08 PM »

any chance of a photo ?

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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 05:31:07 PM »

If you google it throws up lots and lots of pictures of her and the class, and usual wikipedia type of entries. The class seems quite well covered. Was it Dave Abbot or Paul Freshney or someone like that who did the build way back in Model Boats mag?  Theres 2 videos crop up on google of models. One at Deans Marine and one abroad I think?  That said I feel a bit of dejavue.  Did this not get discussed on here not that long ago?


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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 05:36:34 PM »

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Being a monitor, is that why the gun seems very high above the deck, did this not create a stability issue when fired, assuming the guns equipment was stored in the body under the guns

The gunhouse had to be high because it was essentially a battleship mounting. In a big ship the loading and training gear, handing room, shell rooms and magazines were fitted in under the upper deck but there was no room to do this on a shallow monitor hull so the turret literally stood out like a sore thumb! As Nick says, the beam and bulges took care of any stability problems.

I think they had to alter the hull form during construction which messed up the already poor hull hydrodynamics and reduced her speed to 4 knots!

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Re: HMS Marshal Soult
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 05:39:41 PM »

https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62968.msg665046.html#msg665046


Hidden between incorrect spellings and thread titles, not easy to find but knew I'd seen it somewhere.


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Re: HMS Marshall Soult
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 10:41:11 PM »


The design of the hull was such a new one to the DNC and his team that they had nothing much to go on when designing her lines. The usual plan with ship design is to look at what you did before and 'evolve' that. While the hull form was sent to Froud's for testing, the Admiralty (basically Jackie and Winnie) wanted the monitors to be built as quickly as possible and so they were just thrown onto the slips and launched as fast as possible. By the time the frames and plates were being rivetted, a worried Froud reported that the hull form was grossly inefficient and would require much more horse power, which none of the early Big Gun Monitors could provide from their limited steam or Oil plant. The Terror and Erebus were designed and built as an evolution of the earlier designs with finer lines astern and thus better performance.


Marshall Soult served as a proper Monitor for her whole life until being converted into a Depot ship in the second war (approx )while Ney, being fitted with MAN engines suffered repeated issues with starting and control. Obviously MAN were not going to help out an enemy during the war, so she was redeployed minus 15inch turret and mounting as a defence ship at various ports. All tis info is found in the 'Buxton Bible' by Ian Buxton, called 'Big Gun Monitors' and is a superb read with loads of pictures, tables and anecdotes.

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