Topic: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic (Read 15042 times)

pokherman · « **Reply #75 on:** November 16, 2020, 12:13:54 pm »

Lol.. o dear ! What a palarva .. still could be worse 🤓

Stan · « **Reply #76 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:31:09 pm »

HI Pokherman Thought you might like to see my Deans Marine Fletcher. The kit has changed since I built this one in 1998 but it sails well. I have to say never had any problems with kits from Deans Marine.

Stan.

pokherman · « **Reply #77 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:57:34 pm »

WAOW !! That's a nice job, well done !! very clean finish.. my trouble is now that because i have been looking at other boats as well the USS Brooke is looking dandy too. ooo decisions decisions

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My other problem is, I'm thinking do i or can i do the next scale up!! maybe.... why is it sooo hard..

Have to say though. I do like the Fletcher..

thanks for the photo. it really is a very nice looking boat Stan..

raflaunches · « **Reply #78 on:** November 18, 2020, 08:00:59 pm »

Well I’ve decided to restart the Manxman by building the foremost 4-inch twin gun turret. As can be seen from the attached pictures the turrets are a real mix media fitting with resin, vacform, and white metal parts. I sanded down the moulding plugs on the resin mounting ring and mount whilst the vacform shield has been roughly cut to the correct shape and awaits gunsight doors and guides fitting to the outside of the plastic. The white metal guns are fantastic and haven’t been permanently attached yet awaiting some detailing I intend to do inside the shield using some micro plastic strip. Just two more to build to this stage and then I’ll match up the detailing so they are all identical.

raflaunches · « **Reply #79 on:** November 18, 2020, 09:51:43 pm »

Less than two hours since my last update- must be a record!

Studying the photos in the book Very Special Ships and an excellent builders model on the IWM website of Abdiel I have modified the gun shield by extending the gun cutouts further up and added the separation guide. Vacform parts are always restricting in their shape in particular sharp corners but this something very minor in my opinion to get a scale thickness to the shield. I have used a fine sanding stick to slowly reduce the round corners to sharper ones whilst being careful not to break through the plastic sides. It looks slightly see through in places but once painted this won’t be noticeable.

derekwarner · « **Reply #80 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:31:58 pm »

The Gun Shell on those QF 4" Mk XVI mounts was really just a 'rain keeper outer' and not really capable of offering any great protection to machine or man

We have an image from HMAS Swan [same gun mount] in New Guinea [Tropics] where the top of the Shell had been removed [to get better ventilation?] to disperse gasses during operation [and a few lengths of angle welded to the shell for a canvas roof to keep the tropical rain out

The maximum elevation for this mounting was 80 degrees, so you will need a sizable canvas bag around each barrel to fill in the large gap you have made

Derek

raflaunches · « **Reply #81 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:37:30 pm »

Hi Derek

Many thanks for the information and picture, I consider things like the gun shield on the 4 inch gun much like the 3 inch guns on the Train Ferry my Dad and I built a few years back- purely for morale purposes! I’ve seen a couple of photos in the pre mentioned book in my last post with and without the canvas bags to seal up the gap. I’ll see if I can make a set (got plenty of time- 8 days!).

raflaunches · « **Reply #82 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:39:44 pm »

I found these excellent images on the IWM website of the builders model of HMS Abdiel:

pokherman · « **Reply #83 on:** November 19, 2020, 07:10:02 am »

Am I right in saying that that's the same boat in the back of the book " very special ships". ? I would of loved to do as much detail to my one but this is a prim example of what experience and knowledge of what and where to look can do..

I noticed on that Abdiel model the masts are wrapped with a band.. are you gonna do the same..

pokherman · « **Reply #84 on:** November 19, 2020, 07:12:43 am »

O one more 🤓. What's IWM web page?
Ian.

raflaunches · « **Reply #85 on:** November 19, 2020, 08:17:10 am »

Hi Ian

Sorry not IWM I previously said- should be NMM section (National Maritime Museum)
https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/65979.html

raflaunches · « **Reply #86 on:** November 19, 2020, 08:21:37 am »

Quote from: pokherman on November 19, 2020, 07:10:02 am

Am I right in saying that that's the same boat in the back of the book " very special ships". ? I would of loved to do as much detail to my one but this is a prim example of what experience and knowledge of what and where to look can do..

I noticed on that Abdiel model the masts are wrapped with a band.. are you gonna do the same..

Yes it’s the same one but the difference is that the online version is in colour and you can zoom in to see the detail.
I’ll be building Abdiel so it can be identifiable to Manxman or her other sister ships. I’ve learnt not to 100% trust builders models but they are good guides providing they match up with the real vessel.

raflaunches · « **Reply #87 on:** November 19, 2020, 10:35:47 am »

Detail started. I’ve marked out the sighting slots and square uppermost cover, added a cover plate from 0.25mm plastic card, and added the canvas cover strip which sits on top of the shield from shaped angled micro strip and rod.

raflaunches · « **Reply #88 on:** November 19, 2020, 08:35:55 pm »

First turret done- leaving the barrels separate until after painting. I’ve cut out the gun sighting slots, made the upper cover, and the gunsights were made from brass tube glued directly to the barrels. Just started my second turret...

pokherman · « **Reply #89 on:** November 20, 2020, 07:40:02 am »

Nice touch on the sights!

raflaunches · « **Reply #90 on:** November 20, 2020, 03:00:43 pm »

Thanks Ian

It’s the only detail I really thought I could add that wasn’t already suggested in the kit instructions.
Today I’ve almost finished off the second turret but have started the funnels. I marked out the interior side of the vacform funnel to make it easier to see which is the funnel and the excess material. Once sanded flat I glued them together using a mix of Tamiya tape to hold everything in place and than ran glue down the outside.

raflaunches · « **Reply #91 on:** November 21, 2020, 11:34:33 am »

Part 2 of the funnel build- I’m concentrating on the fore funnel.
I’ve cut out the interior upper surface to which I will add a plastic card sheet later this afternoon to separate the internals. The funnel cap has been cut out and roughly filed to shape. More progress this afternoon...

raflaunches · « **Reply #92 on:** November 21, 2020, 07:41:13 pm »

Part 3 funnel build-
I’m adding the internal detail using some original photos of Ariadne being scrapped to help guide me with the location of the various parts. I’m using 1mm thick plastic card for the separation sections and the kits marvellous etch brass sheet which is one of the biggest etched brass sets I’ve used. I’m about half way through the funnel builds.

raflaunches · « **Reply #93 on:** November 21, 2020, 08:02:32 pm »

Some excellent reference material I’ve been using for my build. All credits go to Shutterstock but they are extremely helpful for detail. For those wishing to use the pictures be aware that the photo with the mines is Manxman much later in her WW2 service career as you can see the different AA guns on the bridge wings compared to those supplied in the kit which is as built.

Beagle1831 · « **Reply #94 on:** November 23, 2020, 10:36:09 am »

Great work Nick! Photos of the ship under refit / in dock are always useful for those extra details.

Interesting to note that the builders model has grey antifouling - just noticed some discussions on modelwarships.com showing that Hood was painted this way too. I think contemporary models and paintings are often under used as references.

raflaunches · « **Reply #95 on:** November 23, 2020, 10:41:59 am »

Thank you James, I’ve been admiring your work too and using ideas you’ve used on mine.
I’ve read that too regarding the grey anti-fouling paint on Hood too. The information is interesting and reading up on it has me intrigued on how many ships were painted in this paint colour. I think there is a lot more than we realise as we are so used to seeing the traditional red paint on the models.

pokherman · « **Reply #96 on:** November 23, 2020, 11:07:21 am »

Very nice work nick..! Where did you find those pics? I went on the IMW web page and couldn't get any photos of the boat

raflaunches · « **Reply #97 on:** November 23, 2020, 11:14:25 am »

Hi Ian

The builders model is found at this address:
https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/65979.html

The shutterstock images are at this address:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hms+manxman&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj07YLVw5jtAhXI1eAKHclxB8sQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=hms+manxman&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzICCAAyAggAMgQIABAYMgQIABAYMgQIABAYOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOgUIABCxA1DLWli9bWDpcGgAcAB4AYABqgGIAfoHkgEEMTEuMpgBAKABAbABAMABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=bZi7X7SDLsirgwfJ453YDA&bih=553&biw=375&client=safari&prmd=imnv#imgrc=1XYWuBOwr0V-OM&imgdii=Rg1UcFVFLKVqnM

https://www.google.com/search?q=hms+manxman&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj07YLVw5jtAhXI1eAKHclxB8sQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=hms+manxman&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzICCAAyAggAMgQIABAYMgQIABAYMgQIABAYOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOgUIABCxA1DLWli9bWDpcGgAcAB4AYABqgGIAfoHkgEEMTEuMpgBAKABAbABAMABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=bZi7X7SDLsirgwfJ453YDA&bih=553&biw=375&client=safari&prmd=imnv#imgrc=Rg1UcFVFLKVqnM&imgdii=VfP0mJq7f0xFnM

And the funnel picture is from photos I bought on eBay of Ariadne being scrapped- don’t know who took them and I’ve never seen them on the internet

raflaunches · « **Reply #98 on:** November 24, 2020, 10:00:11 am »

Funnel progress part 4...

The amount of internal steam vent pipes has been insane- still got two more to add to the centre funnel. The supports for all the pipes had to be shaped to fit the inside of the funnels which has taken the time. All made from plastic card sheet drilled to accept the brass tubes with the exception of the fore funnel which has a slightly larger plastic tube vent pipes as per some reference pictures in Very Special Ships book.

raflaunches · « **Reply #99 on:** November 25, 2020, 09:34:36 am »

A break from the funnels- the Anti Aircraft Gun platform ‘bandstand’:
The band stand is all plastic card made from the laser cut parts and simply glued together. The hand rails are from the kit’s etched brass sheet (12 in total) with some extruded wire- all superglued in to place.
The 4 barrelled Pom Pom has been started and is made up from resin mounting and mount with white metal guns. As per the instructions it will be detailed using the etched brass parts which include hand rails and sights.

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